On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:02:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.

===

Insert appropriate "really sucks" joke he _________________________

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:26:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:02:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.

===

Insert appropriate "really sucks" joke he _________________________

Hey, at least I stayed on topic!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:26:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:02:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.

===

Insert appropriate "really sucks" joke he _________________________

My physics teacher said "there ain't no suction. It is only a
difference in pressure".

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:41:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:26:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:02:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.

===

Insert appropriate "really sucks" joke he _________________________

My physics teacher said "there ain't no suction. It is only a
difference in pressure".

Probably never had a girlfriend either.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law


Get out 14.7 at sea level, should not be any gas in package. Take that
package to 33' below and if all the air was in it, would be 1/2 size, but
you have almost all the air out except for 1 pound, you are not going to
get 1/2 size.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:34:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law


Get out 14.7 at sea level, should not be any gas in package. Take that
package to 33' below and if all the air was in it, would be 1/2 size, but
you have almost all the air out except for 1 pound, you are not going to
get 1/2 size.

When you are talking 7000 PSI you are going to find out the coffee
itself is pretty porous.
It is a shame that we are on the shallow coast or I would run out to
100' of water or more and drop this thing over, tied to a concrete
block and pull it back up, just to see what it does.
I like science ;-)

I suppose I could make a pressure chamber with PVC pipe and try it
that way. Maybe bury it in the yard first in case it blows up but if
it was full of water before I start, there really wouldn't be much air
in there to "blow".