True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:09:00 UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

What did John get that you didn't?


John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he
had for his service.

Sorta like a union.



John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get
benefits.


I have a problem with a lot of government employees pensions also. Spend
20 years in the military, transferred around the world, maybe shot at, and
you get 50% of your last years salary. Spend 4 years in Congress, and high
pay and get retirement of 100% for life. Be a public employee in at least
California and you get 3% per year of your last years gross. Includes
vacation pay that is accrued, overtime, etc.

Wozers.... we are only entitled to 2% for each year and they figure out
your average salary from your last five years to base your pension on.
No wonder y'all can live so high on the hog.


No, the government employees are living high. Most making more than their
normal annual salary these days. The cities are bankrupt, the taxpayers
are hurting. My city is a rich city and we still have $120 million in
unfounded pension liability. We might be able to pay it, but Stockton,
etc. are bankrupt now, and could not raise enough dinero to pay the bills.
Who is going to supply the money? Calpers even over rates the returns they
expect.

Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

What did John get that you didn't?


John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he
had for his service.

Sorta like a union.



John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get
benefits.


I have a problem with a lot of government employees pensions also. Spend
20 years in the military, transferred around the world, maybe shot at, and
you get 50% of your last years salary. Spend 4 years in Congress, and high
pay and get retirement of 100% for life. Be a public employee in at least
California and you get 3% per year of your last years gross. Includes
vacation pay that is accrued, overtime, etc.



You think non elected federal workers should not get a decent pension?


What's decent? 20%? 30% more than they made as base salary? How much?

On 12/15/15 9:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:09:00 UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

What did John get that you didn't?


John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he
had for his service.

Sorta like a union.



John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get
benefits.


I have a problem with a lot of government employees pensions also. Spend
20 years in the military, transferred around the world, maybe shot at, and
you get 50% of your last years salary. Spend 4 years in Congress, and high
pay and get retirement of 100% for life. Be a public employee in at least
California and you get 3% per year of your last years gross. Includes
vacation pay that is accrued, overtime, etc.

Wozers.... we are only entitled to 2% for each year and they figure out
your average salary from your last five years to base your pension on.
No wonder y'all can live so high on the hog.


No, the government employees are living high. Most making more than their
normal annual salary these days. The cities are bankrupt, the taxpayers
are hurting. My city is a rich city and we still have $120 million in
unfounded pension liability. We might be able to pay it, but Stockton,
etc. are bankrupt now, and could not raise enough dinero to pay the bills.
Who is going to supply the money? Calpers even over rates the returns they
expect.


My local union's pension fund doesn't allow unfunded pension liability.
No pension plan should allow it.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 9:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 15 December 2015 18:09:00 UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

What did John get that you didn't?


John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he
had for his service.

Sorta like a union.



John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get
benefits.


I have a problem with a lot of government employees pensions also. Spend
20 years in the military, transferred around the world, maybe shot at, and
you get 50% of your last years salary. Spend 4 years in Congress, and high
pay and get retirement of 100% for life. Be a public employee in at least
California and you get 3% per year of your last years gross. Includes
vacation pay that is accrued, overtime, etc.

Wozers.... we are only entitled to 2% for each year and they figure out
your average salary from your last five years to base your pension on.
No wonder y'all can live so high on the hog.


No, the government employees are living high. Most making more than their
normal annual salary these days. The cities are bankrupt, the taxpayers
are hurting. My city is a rich city and we still have $120 million in
unfounded pension liability. We might be able to pay it, but Stockton,
etc. are bankrupt now, and could not raise enough dinero to pay the bills.
Who is going to supply the money? Calpers even over rates the returns they
expect.


My local union's pension fund doesn't allow unfunded pension liability.
No pension plan should allow it.


But government does. Hell SS and Medicare are both unfunded.

Ditzy Dan Kruger spews...

"I doubt a 1/2 pound drone can fly high enough to come close to an
aircraft. *They are setting the limit too low. *My friend bought one
that weighed a pound, tops, and it was blown all over the place in a
very light wind at, maybe, 50 feet off the ground."


Duh!
Just how Ditzy are you?
Airplanes tend to fly low coming into or leaving an airport.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:20:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

My local union's pension fund doesn't allow unfunded pension liability.
No pension plan should allow it.

Government pensions are not regulated by the PBGC
They all simply assume the tax payer is good for it. That includes SS.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 22:24:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



How close to the ground do you think a 747 gets when landing?
Hint: *Very* :=)

Especially right at the end. ;-)

If they are 5 miles from the airport they will be above 1000 feet tho.
They seem to drop like a rock on final approach, just based on the
seat back computer. Coming into Ft Myers they seem to drop out of the
30 sumpin thousand shortly after they cross the pan handle and it is
s slow glide down to about 15,000 around Venice and 4 thousand when
they make the turn to come into final approach. At that point it is
just a glide in with a minimal amount of power until they flare right
at the landing. The numbers are changing faster than the seat back
display can update. I assume a lot of it is noise abatement. They are
virtually silent coming in.
When I hear one throttle up it seems obvious he either got spun or he
was off the glide path.
They are coming in about every 3 minutes around here right now. Out in
the boat you see them stacked up as far as the eye can see.
Going the other way they climb out pretty fast

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:36:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

There is some obtuse thinking going on here. It's supporting my
claim that you like laws just for the sake of laws.

===

When your only tool is a hammer...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:50:22 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:15:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 8:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:17:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 4:51 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Like I said, this was from a by-gone era when cops walked a beat
twirling a nightstick and wore uniforms like you see in the famous
Norman Rockwell paintings. The bicycle plate looked like this, except
it said "Quincy" instead of Concord:

http://platevault.com/uploads/86/ee/thumbs/6155832592bee86.jpg"


WOW, that's exactly the shape of bicycle license plate we had in the old city of Halifax. Some kids attached them to the front wheel spokes and others mounted the plate to the rear fender...either above or below the rear reflector. Seems to me the vast majority of bikes had fenders then...before the 10 speeds became so popular.


One of my earliest memories is learning to ride a bicycle. I was five
years old. My father removed the training wheels it had and would run
beside me holding the seat post while I pedaled then let go once I got
going. After a few crashes I got the idea and the big "reward" was a
visit to the police station to get a license plate. I still remember
the station too. It was a huge, turn of the century building that also
had a court house in it. Tons of cops walking around. Very
impressionable experience for a five year old.

I learned how to ride from the other kids. When my parents bought me
my first bike, I just hopped on and rode away. I never even heard of
training wheels until I was older.
Your buddy sat you on the bike and gave you a push. Off you went. Then
you had to learn how to start off yourself. I pushed the bike running
next to it and hopped on for a while before I got the trick down.
The idea of a license plate would have never crossed our minds.
The DC cops certainly had more important things to do, even then.
I remember hearing about the "Police Boys Club" and we walked down to
the 14th precinct station thinking we would join up. They just said
"we don't do that" and suggested we should join the cub scouts.


Sorry you had such a disappointing childhood. :-)

We lived at a time when mom said "go out and play" and we did. I
didn't know I was poor and we were not disappointed about much.

Ditto.

We had cap pistols and played lots of 'cowboys and indians'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:30:51 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/15/2015 4:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 4:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:57:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/15/15 1:56 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:33:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife?
Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union?
You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

What did John get that you didn't?


John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he
had for his service.

Sorta like a union.



John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get
benefits.

I resent the creation of 'jobs' which accomplish nothing but
increasing the size of
the government.
--


Well, then, you should have resigned from the army before you vested, as
it were.

The fact that several of us are having a discussion without rancor and
name-calling,
even though we disagree, just bugs the **** out of you, doesn't it?

--

You are the one who insulted government employees who might be covered
by an AFGE contract. They're no different than you were...in terms of
their employer(s).

WHAT?

He couldn't show me either.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!