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On 12/15/15 1:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. I'm sorry for laughing, but this thread is hysterical. A kazillion posts about toy airplanes, as it were, and all because Herring at heart thinks the rules shouldn't apply to his little hobbies. |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:52:20 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 1:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. I'm sorry for laughing, but this thread is hysterical. A kazillion posts about toy airplanes, as it were, and all because Herring at heart thinks the rules shouldn't apply to his little hobbies. Glad you're happy. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:42:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. Didn't miss it. The aircraft itself is not 'registered'. The person is. I could, and will, have the same registration number on each aircraft. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:42:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. Who is going to look? |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:54:20 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:42:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. Who is going to look? Only the officers at an AMA sanctioned airfield that are willing to do so. But, if I fly a drone I don't need no steeenkin' airfield! -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:20:41 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:54:20 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:42:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. Who is going to look? Only the officers at an AMA sanctioned airfield that are willing to do so. But, if I fly a drone I don't need no steeenkin' airfield! That is true. The drones that are causing the problem are not and probably will not ever be flown at an AMA field. It certainly appears to me that if the FAA is powerful enough to catch a guy in Fumbuck Arkansas flying a drone without a license they could have stopped these guys near major airports where they already have a presence. |
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