98 Years ago...
 

On Monday, 7 December 2015 10:31:28 UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2015 09:08:01 UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 7:18 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 9:43:33 PM UTC-5, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 6 December 2015 12:19:15 UTC-4, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/6/2015 9:53 AM, True North wrote:
Recent delivery of Christmas tree to Boston and it's lighting reminds us of the horrific events on Dec 06 1917. People of Nova Scotia will always be grateful to the kind citizens of Mass. for their speedy medical help....arriving by train just days after the disaster. Who knows how many more would have died if not for the desperately needed help.
https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/...0859946961771/


Having trouble playing this video down here in the US.


Try this Stinky...it's in 'merican.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/almanac-...veled-halifax/

Why ruin a nice thread with name calling, Don?


Why do *you* engage in name-calling here so frequently, and then feel it
is ok for you to castigate others for the same behavior in which you
engage? And if you are going to call out others for name-calling, why
don't you call out your buddies, like FlaJim, for example, when they do it?

You might consider putting up in terms of your behavior here or shutting
up about the behavior of others.


The John just can't contain his rancor....even on a serious thread.
came across this lottle music video. Interesting because he visits a number of locations still standing...within walking distance of me. At the end you see him on Fort Needham...by the Memorial Bell Tower looking down a narroe sightline to the harbour. My dad's family lived on a street below that hill, and between it and the harbour.....right in the 'line of fire'.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/284494444908768/

D'oh.. should be 'little' music video and 'narrow' sight line
Using the HP Notebook so I can't blame this on the BlackBerry.

98 Years ago...
 

On 12/7/2015 10:25 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 12/6/15 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:23:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/6/15 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/6/2015 11:19 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/6/2015 9:53 AM, True North wrote:
Recent delivery of Christmas tree to Boston and it's lighting reminds
us of the horrific events on Dec 06 1917. People of Nova Scotia will
always be grateful to the kind citizens of Mass. for their speedy
medical help....arriving by train just days after the disaster. Who
knows how many more would have died if not for the desperately needed
help.
https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/...0859946961771/


Having trouble playing this video down here in the US.


Must be due to your Win 10 upgrade. Plays fine on Win 7. :-)


Plays fine down here in the USA on my iMac and Samsung Android Tablet.

Even works on my prehistoric XP anachronism.


Shows up on that teletype screen, eh? :)


Teletype screen?
Back in the day we used a teletypewriter for output with a paper
tape reader for input.
Hobbyists used Comodore 64,Radio Shack, and other toys to access
bulletin board systems and do rudimental computing. Greg seems to
have a pretty good recollection of all that stuff. He would be a
good resource if you wanted to find out about early day
computing.


Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.

98 Years ago...
 

On 12/7/2015 8:58 AM, John H. wrote:
Krause said
In this thread specifically or in this discussion group?
I'll watch your example in this discussion group before I make an
announcement.

Am I missing something? Is Krause planning a coming out announcement?

98 Years ago...
 

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.



Baudot code? I never got into teletype but there were several of my
IBM buddies who were playing with them in the 60s. These were RF
connected on a ham band. At that time, if you wanted to use Ma Bell
you had to rent a modem from them and it wasn't cheap.
I do remember the navy being hot on paper tape.
IBM had a paper tape attachment on a keypunch M047) that I got to work
on now and them. When I was in GITMO they had me take a look at one
but they had to carry it out of the crypto shack, into the hall
because I wasn't cleared there. I got it going and they dragged it
back. Later I heard it was still going well.
I did my best to avoid "teleprocessing" until I moved down here and I
couldn't be as selective about what I worked on. My rule used to be
"nothing with a 7 in it". I was a "glass house" guy as much as I could
be.
I found myself at the other end of the spear down here. we had lots of
stuff that was connected to the central site up north so I had to
figure out how to fight with the phone company.

98 Years ago...
 

On 12/7/2015 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.



Baudot code? I never got into teletype but there were several of my
IBM buddies who were playing with them in the 60s. These were RF
connected on a ham band. At that time, if you wanted to use Ma Bell
you had to rent a modem from them and it wasn't cheap.
I do remember the navy being hot on paper tape.
IBM had a paper tape attachment on a keypunch M047) that I got to work
on now and them. When I was in GITMO they had me take a look at one
but they had to carry it out of the crypto shack, into the hall
because I wasn't cleared there. I got it going and they dragged it
back. Later I heard it was still going well.
I did my best to avoid "teleprocessing" until I moved down here and I
couldn't be as selective about what I worked on. My rule used to be
"nothing with a 7 in it". I was a "glass house" guy as much as I could
be.
I found myself at the other end of the spear down here. we had lots of
stuff that was connected to the central site up north so I had to
figure out how to fight with the phone company.


Yes, Baudot. 100 baud, if I recall correctly.

I worked on them on the first ship I was on but not much after that.
When I converted to ET, I was probably one of the few ET's that also had
the job code for teletype repair. It was an advantage when I reported
to GLakes to start ET school, because the guy that assigned your duty
sections was also in charge of the base HAM radio station. When he
saw I had the teletype repair NEC on my records, he offered standing HAM
radio watches on duty days instead of having to stand master-at-arms
watches (I was a petty officer at the time). I took it.
They had a surplus Mod 28 console that didn't work, so I got it up and
running. Nobody used it though. All the HAM messages were sent via voice.

In those days every ship monitored the "fleet broadcast" which consisted
of several TTY "channels" multiplexed on one RF frequency.
The radio shack would have four or more teletypes running constantly,
printing out "skids" (the paper print-outs of messages). RM's would
check the headers for every message and tear out those that were
addressed or copied to the ship they were on. They would also have
tactical communications (single channel) to communicate to specific
ships or shore commands. All of this went through crypto equipment.

Again, old technology now but it was pretty impressive at the time.

I remember one day while in port a bunch of "yardbirds" came aboard
and installed the weirdest looking antenna I had ever seen on the ship.
It looked like something out of a Buck Rodgers' movie. I later found
out it was an antenna for a new-fangled system called "Satellite
Navigation" ... an early military GPS system.

98 Years ago...
 

On 12/7/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.



Baudot code? I never got into teletype but there were several of my
IBM buddies who were playing with them in the 60s. These were RF
connected on a ham band. At that time, if you wanted to use Ma Bell
you had to rent a modem from them and it wasn't cheap.
I do remember the navy being hot on paper tape.
IBM had a paper tape attachment on a keypunch M047) that I got to work
on now and them. When I was in GITMO they had me take a look at one
but they had to carry it out of the crypto shack, into the hall
because I wasn't cleared there. I got it going and they dragged it
back. Later I heard it was still going well.
I did my best to avoid "teleprocessing" until I moved down here and I
couldn't be as selective about what I worked on. My rule used to be
"nothing with a 7 in it". I was a "glass house" guy as much as I could
be.
I found myself at the other end of the spear down here. we had lots of
stuff that was connected to the central site up north so I had to
figure out how to fight with the phone company.


When I worked for The AP, one of my offices was in Huntington, West
Virginia, inside the local newspaper's building. The office literally
was a converted men's room, with the toilets ripped out and the floor
redone, but the walls were all ceramic tile. There were a bunch of
automatic teletype machines in there, and their clatter was just
horrible, so bad, I couldn't stay in the room more than a few minutes.
The machine operator could because he was totally deaf.

98 Years ago...
 

On 12/7/2015 12:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.



Baudot code? I never got into teletype but there were several of my
IBM buddies who were playing with them in the 60s. These were RF
connected on a ham band. At that time, if you wanted to use Ma Bell
you had to rent a modem from them and it wasn't cheap.
I do remember the navy being hot on paper tape.
IBM had a paper tape attachment on a keypunch M047) that I got to work
on now and them. When I was in GITMO they had me take a look at one
but they had to carry it out of the crypto shack, into the hall
because I wasn't cleared there. I got it going and they dragged it
back. Later I heard it was still going well.
I did my best to avoid "teleprocessing" until I moved down here and I
couldn't be as selective about what I worked on. My rule used to be
"nothing with a 7 in it". I was a "glass house" guy as much as I could
be.
I found myself at the other end of the spear down here. we had lots of
stuff that was connected to the central site up north so I had to
figure out how to fight with the phone company.


When I worked for The AP, one of my offices was in Huntington, West
Virginia, inside the local newspaper's building. The office literally
was a converted men's room, with the toilets ripped out and the floor
redone, but the walls were all ceramic tile. There were a bunch of
automatic teletype machines in there, and their clatter was just
horrible, so bad, I couldn't stay in the room more than a few minutes.
The machine operator could because he was totally deaf.

I am sure those were running at 60 wpm which was the standard for
non-military teletypes in those days. Imagine them running at not quite
twice the speed. They sound like they are self-destructing.

98 Years ago...
 

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:42:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I remember one day while in port a bunch of "yardbirds" came aboard
and installed the weirdest looking antenna I had ever seen on the ship.
It looked like something out of a Buck Rodgers' movie. I later found
out it was an antenna for a new-fangled system called "Satellite
Navigation" ... an early military GPS system.


They did the software development for GPS at IBM Gaithersburg in the
System Center. (demo area for the sales people)
This was just another water cooled to anyone who looked but they were
working on a project that was classified at the time. The only obvious
"security" was a blue velvet rope around the console station. I assume
the real work was being done somewhere else in the complex on
terminals.

98 Years ago...
 

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:15:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/7/2015 12:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.



Baudot code? I never got into teletype but there were several of my
IBM buddies who were playing with them in the 60s. These were RF
connected on a ham band. At that time, if you wanted to use Ma Bell
you had to rent a modem from them and it wasn't cheap.
I do remember the navy being hot on paper tape.
IBM had a paper tape attachment on a keypunch M047) that I got to work
on now and them. When I was in GITMO they had me take a look at one
but they had to carry it out of the crypto shack, into the hall
because I wasn't cleared there. I got it going and they dragged it
back. Later I heard it was still going well.
I did my best to avoid "teleprocessing" until I moved down here and I
couldn't be as selective about what I worked on. My rule used to be
"nothing with a 7 in it". I was a "glass house" guy as much as I could
be.
I found myself at the other end of the spear down here. we had lots of
stuff that was connected to the central site up north so I had to
figure out how to fight with the phone company.


When I worked for The AP, one of my offices was in Huntington, West
Virginia, inside the local newspaper's building. The office literally
was a converted men's room, with the toilets ripped out and the floor
redone, but the walls were all ceramic tile. There were a bunch of
automatic teletype machines in there, and their clatter was just
horrible, so bad, I couldn't stay in the room more than a few minutes.
The machine operator could because he was totally deaf.

I am sure those were running at 60 wpm which was the standard for
non-military teletypes in those days. Imagine them running at not quite
twice the speed. They sound like they are self-destructing.


Usually the thing that goes to hell in a hurry when you speed up an
impact printer is print quality. The type face (drum, ball, typebar or
whatever) doesn't get time to properly align and the characters jump
around on the page.

98 Years ago...
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/7/2015 10:25 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 12/6/15 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:23:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/6/15 12:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/6/2015 11:19 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/6/2015 9:53 AM, True North wrote:
Recent delivery of Christmas tree to Boston and it's lighting reminds
us of the horrific events on Dec 06 1917. People of Nova Scotia will
always be grateful to the kind citizens of Mass. for their speedy
medical help....arriving by train just days after the disaster. Who
knows how many more would have died if not for the desperately needed
help.
https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/...0859946961771/


Having trouble playing this video down here in the US.


Must be due to your Win 10 upgrade. Plays fine on Win 7. :-)


Plays fine down here in the USA on my iMac and Samsung Android Tablet.

Even works on my prehistoric XP anachronism.


Shows up on that teletype screen, eh? :)


Teletype screen?
Back in the day we used a teletypewriter for output with a paper
tape reader for input.
Hobbyists used Comodore 64,Radio Shack, and other toys to access
bulletin board systems and do rudimental computing. Greg seems to
have a pretty good recollection of all that stuff. He would be a
good resource if you wanted to find out about early day
computing.


Before I converted to "ET" in the Navy I was an "RM" for two years and
was sent to Teletype Repair "C" school in Norfolk to learn how to
completely disassemble, repair, reassemble, adjust and maintain Mod 28
Teletype machines. There were two versions on ships and shore stations
at that time. One was just the printer section for receiving messages.
The other was the full console with the keyboard and tape reader for
sending messages. Don't remember much about them other than they had a
bunch of mechanical clutches operated by a main shaft that had to be
precisely adjusted. The Mod 28 was originally designed to run at 60
words per minute (a "word" being five characters) but they had been
upgraded to run at a blistering 100 words per minute. They were 8 bit
machines including a "start bit" and a "stop bit".

Upon graduation from the school the students traditionally received a
card proclaiming that you were now a "Doctor of Teletype Technology".
I still have mine.

Archaic technology now-a-days but it was a digital format and a
predecessor to computers. So was Morse Code, for that matter.





NCR used a teletype printer on one Serbs of mainframes for the console
output. Forget which model, but was a disaster as a console printer. Was
designed to turn on and print an incoming message, then turned off the
motor. Very light duty printer. Our use turned on the motor and the shaft
never stopped running. Those oil title bushings would eventually cut the
shaft so there was a great play in the bearings. Was a pain in the ass to
change the shaft and align all the cams.