On 11/26/15 3:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 13:40:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/26/15 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:36:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/26/15 10:30 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:27:45 +0000, RGrew176
wrote:


Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote:
On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:-
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:
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On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:-
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
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You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.-

Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not
being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that.
It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable
reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included
charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment.

It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is
possible and manslaughter is reasonable.

Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference
in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As
prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and
sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway.
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It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about
because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released.
Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes

in hand.

Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of
that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras.

The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying
your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the
ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh?

I wonder if the cop will cop a plea.

Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within
60 days if even that long.

If they are really going for a murder 1 charge, they needed to get
their ducks in a row and a big part of that was dealing with the
union. This is Chicago, where they are scared of the janitor's union,
the police union scares the hell out of them.
Life in prison is a long time, this guy wasn't going anywhere.
There is plenty of punishment left for him ... if he doesn't eat his
gun. Maybe that is what they were waiting for.


Do you have anything other than your hatred of unions to support your
claim of "dealing with the union"? I mean something real.

If you don't think any legal issue with a cop will not involve the
union, you are in denial. The union is probably paying for his
attorney.


Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing
a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what
unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong
defense, as any defense lawyer would.

That is plenty if you are trying to delay the proceedings.
The worst case is if the union actively "protested" the charges and
had a little case of "blue flu".
I think this was a bad shoot and they should fry this guy but I also
believe they do not want to rush it, make some technical errors and
get the thing thrown out.
Nobody wants a surprise, like finding out this guy was an undisclosed
schizophrenic or manic depressive, given a government gun and turned
loose on the public.



The union can do whatever it wishes to do, within the requirements of
law. The first year I worked for the NEA, I took a number of teachers
unions out on strike at their request. It was illegal, but the penalty
at that time was simply to lose two days pay for each day on strike. It
was about the only tool the teachers had to force the administrators to
negotiate for a new contract. It was an effective tool. The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. Like
many righties, you think capital/management is more important than
labor. I don't.

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.

A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much
line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going.
Then I compared that to a few other places.
The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that
are not really education related.
In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make
any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they
move downtown to the administration office.
Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping
in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the
career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job
without being a teacher.

It is an entirely different skill set.

Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we
run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights.

On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.

A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much
line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going.
Then I compared that to a few other places.
The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that
are not really education related.
In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make
any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they
move downtown to the administration office.
Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping
in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the
career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job
without being a teacher.

It is an entirely different skill set.

Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we
run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights.



Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed
yourself an expert.

Hehehe.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.

A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much
line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going.
Then I compared that to a few other places.
The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that
are not really education related.
In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make
any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they
move downtown to the administration office.
Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping
in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the
career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job
without being a teacher.

It is an entirely different skill set.

Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we
run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights.



Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed
yourself an expert.

Hehehe.

It is simple math and math is a pure science.

....but you know that.

It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private
school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.

A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much
line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going.
Then I compared that to a few other places.
The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that
are not really education related.
In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make
any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they
move downtown to the administration office.
Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping
in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the
career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job
without being a teacher.

It is an entirely different skill set.

Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we
run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights.



Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed
yourself an expert.

Hehehe.

And how many school board budgets have you analyzed, oh omniscient one?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 11/27/15 12:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.
--

Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:59:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/27/15 12:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.

===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.

I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me
off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to
performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away
before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom.

Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct.
--

Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher.

Because I retired? What a stupid comment.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!