On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
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I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
.....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust their world competitors, then raise it back

Tim wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust
their world competitors, then raise it back


I doubt it is below their production cost. Their cost is very low. A lot
lower than our costs. They do not require pumps on the wells, and have 13"
casings. I think ours are 6". Lots of gas pressure forces out the oil.

On 10/29/15 12:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust
their world competitors, then raise it back


I doubt it is below their production cost. Their cost is very low. A lot
lower than our costs. They do not require pumps on the wells, and have 13"
casings. I think ours are 6". Lots of gas pressure forces out the oil.


I agree, and, further, we don't really know what the Saudi production
costs are, even if they tell us what they think we should know about them.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:40:23 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust
their world competitors, then raise it back


I doubt it is below their production cost. Their cost is very low. A lot
lower than our costs. They do not require pumps on the wells, and have 13"
casings. I think ours are 6". Lots of gas pressure forces out the oil.

===

The real cost to the Saudis is what it costs them in drilling and
exploration expenses to maintain current flow, plus their
infrastructure costs which are quite low. There are probably some
numbers available on their drilling and exploration expenses since
they contract that out.

wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:40:23 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust
their world competitors, then raise it back


I doubt it is below their production cost. Their cost is very low. A lot
lower than our costs. They do not require pumps on the wells, and have 13"
casings. I think ours are 6". Lots of gas pressure forces out the oil.

===

The real cost to the Saudis is what it costs them in drilling and
exploration expenses to maintain current flow, plus their
infrastructure costs which are quite low. There are probably some
numbers available on their drilling and exploration expenses since
they contract that out.


How much exploration is going on there? I bet there are seismic recordings
of ever square meter of the country. Maybe run the data through newer,
better algorithm.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:37:39 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:40:23 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust
their world competitors, then raise it back


I doubt it is below their production cost. Their cost is very low. A lot
lower than our costs. They do not require pumps on the wells, and have 13"
casings. I think ours are 6". Lots of gas pressure forces out the oil.

===

The real cost to the Saudis is what it costs them in drilling and
exploration expenses to maintain current flow, plus their
infrastructure costs which are quite low. There are probably some
numbers available on their drilling and exploration expenses since
they contract that out.

You could get an idea by looking at the financials of schlumberger and
haliburton. They both have operating units that only operate in that
area.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:33:42 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:15:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I think this may be a bit more strategic. The saudis are selling oil
at lower than their production cost and I doubt it is out of the
kindness in their heart.
....

Probably using the same tactic the cartels pulled in the 80s to bust their world competitors, then raise it back

===

I don't think the Saudis have control of the market anymore. Obviously
they'd like to maintain market share and see some of the competition
go away but as soon as prices start to go back up, alternative sources
like shale oil and liquified natural gas become cost effective again.