Impressed
 

Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.

Impressed
 

In article aYidnSdu1pvP47TLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.

For the GOP, it's perfectly normal.

Impressed
 

On 10/22/2015 8:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article aYidnSdu1pvP47TLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.

For the GOP, it's perfectly normal.



Not the GOP I grew up knowing. The Tea Party movement changed it.

Impressed
 

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:29:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/22/2015 8:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article aYidnSdu1pvP47TLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.

For the GOP, it's perfectly normal.



Not the GOP I grew up knowing. The Tea Party movement changed it.

Yeah I know. Eisenhower actually reduced the size of government,
eliminated the deficit and paid down some of the debt.
Nobody has even come close since. We had a chance with Goldwater
(Hillary even thought so) but people chose the "peace" candidate who
got into a decade long war ... that we lost.
It went downhill steadily from there. The middle class never
recovered, deficits soared, the government bloated up and we have been
in never ending war for half a century.

The tea party sounded like they might be on to something but they
turned out to be bible thumping fanatics who lost their focus and
their credibility.

If I had to pick the time that congress and the media flipped, it was
Watergate. Politics became more about "gotcha" than accomplishing good
things for the country and the media is always looking for some kind
of scandal to exploit.

Impressed
 

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:58:57 -0400, wrote:

Not the GOP I grew up knowing. The Tea Party movement changed it.



Yeah I know. Eisenhower actually reduced the size of government,
eliminated the deficit and paid down some of the debt.
Nobody has even come close since. We had a chance with Goldwater
(Hillary even thought so) but people chose the "peace" candidate who
got into a decade long war ... that we lost.
It went downhill steadily from there. The middle class never
recovered, deficits soared, the government bloated up and we have been
in never ending war for half a century.

The tea party sounded like they might be on to something but they
turned out to be bible thumping fanatics who lost their focus and
their credibility.

If I had to pick the time that congress and the media flipped, it was
Watergate. Politics became more about "gotcha" than accomplishing good
things for the country and the media is always looking for some kind
of scandal to exploit.

===

That's a damn good summary. I hereby appoint you arm chair
philosopher and governmental analyst of the year. :-)

Impressed
 

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:11:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:58:57 -0400, wrote:

Not the GOP I grew up knowing. The Tea Party movement changed it.



Yeah I know. Eisenhower actually reduced the size of government,
eliminated the deficit and paid down some of the debt.
Nobody has even come close since. We had a chance with Goldwater
(Hillary even thought so) but people chose the "peace" candidate who
got into a decade long war ... that we lost.
It went downhill steadily from there. The middle class never
recovered, deficits soared, the government bloated up and we have been
in never ending war for half a century.

The tea party sounded like they might be on to something but they
turned out to be bible thumping fanatics who lost their focus and
their credibility.

If I had to pick the time that congress and the media flipped, it was
Watergate. Politics became more about "gotcha" than accomplishing good
things for the country and the media is always looking for some kind
of scandal to exploit.

===

That's a damn good summary. I hereby appoint you arm chair
philosopher and governmental analyst of the year. :-)

I have always believed that going after Nixon like they did may have
been the worst thing that ever happened to this country. It enabled
the media (like Chevy Chase) to ridicule Ford for no particular reason
and it went down hill from there.
Can you imagine doing wheelchair jokes about FDR or outing JFK's
peccadillos?
Carter got softballs, his policies were bad enough. Reagan and HW
mostly got a pass although we probably had more war than we should
when they called Bush a wimp.. When Clinton and later GWB were in
office, the gloves were off and nothing was out of line or out of
bounds. That brings us to where we are today.
It is no wonder we have so many nutty candidates. Who in their right
mind would want to throw themselves into that meat grinder?

Impressed
 

On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad that
you are impressed with them.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary but I
think hell just froze over.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 11:13 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely
disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have
spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short
of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they
were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary
but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.


Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.

Impressed
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 11:13 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely
disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have
spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short
of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they
were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary
but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.


Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 11:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 11:13 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely
disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have
spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short
of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they
were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary
but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.


Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.

That remains to be seen.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 12:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 11:13 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely
disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have
spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short
of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they
were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary
but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.


Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.



Trump isn't a "good talker" at all. He just makes very general
statements using language and expressions that appeal to many.
He has yet to dig deep into his proposed actions to explain how
the hell he could get away doing what he says he will do. Makes
for good media coverage and everyone cheers but he's not close to
being knowledgeable in the world of politics or diplomacy.

Carson? He couldn't spell Benghazi or point it out on a map, let alone
debate the subject.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/15 12:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 11:13 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely
disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have
spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short
of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with "slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they
were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary
but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say "what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.


Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.



Hillary is going to be a great president, and a powerful one. It'll be
fun to see who chokes on that. :)

Impressed
 

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:40 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.

Trump will need to take a cram course on what was going on in North
Africa and how we got to Benghazi in the first place.
There is an opportunity there but I am not sure Trump is the guy who
can exploit it.
If Hillary is going to run on her SoS record, the GOP will need people
who can actually understand the politics.
Someone like Gingrich could make her look silly but I doubt Trump can.
Harry is right that the GOP is not fielding the varsity team. These
are not even the water boys.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:40 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.

Trump will need to take a cram course on what was going on in North
Africa and how we got to Benghazi in the first place.
There is an opportunity there but I am not sure Trump is the guy who
can exploit it.
If Hillary is going to run on her SoS record, the GOP will need people
who can actually understand the politics.
Someone like Gingrich could make her look silly but I doubt Trump can.
Harry is right that the GOP is not fielding the varsity team. These
are not even the water boys.



I think it's time for those of the Republican persuasion to face the
music and accept the fact that thanks to the Tea Party and it's
influence the GOP has fielded the most pathetic group of potential
nominees in many years.

The pendulum needs to start swinging back the other way for the GOP to
survive.

Impressed
 

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:28:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Hillary is going to be a great president, and a powerful one.

That is what scares me.

It'll be fun to see who chokes on that. :)

It will be the soldiers choking on their own blood in the wars she
gets us into. I don't think that is "fun".

Impressed
 

On 10/23/15 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:28:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Hillary is going to be a great president, and a powerful one.

That is what scares me.

It'll be fun to see who chokes on that. :)

It will be the soldiers choking on their own blood in the wars she
gets us into. I don't think that is "fun".


I don't see Hillary sending us into a new war or a "revitalized" war in
Iraq or Afghanistan.

Impressed
 

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:46:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/23/2015 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:06:40 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.

Trump will need to take a cram course on what was going on in North
Africa and how we got to Benghazi in the first place.
There is an opportunity there but I am not sure Trump is the guy who
can exploit it.
If Hillary is going to run on her SoS record, the GOP will need people
who can actually understand the politics.
Someone like Gingrich could make her look silly but I doubt Trump can.
Harry is right that the GOP is not fielding the varsity team. These
are not even the water boys.



I think it's time for those of the Republican persuasion to face the
music and accept the fact that thanks to the Tea Party and it's
influence the GOP has fielded the most pathetic group of potential
nominees in many years.

The pendulum needs to start swinging back the other way for the GOP to
survive.



My concern goes even deeper than that. When the best the whole country
can seem to come up with is another Bush and another Clinton
(distinctions without difference) we are in deep trouble.
If the GOP really wants to go with Carson or Trump, game over.
Considering they went with McCain and Romney, nothing surprises me
anymore.

Impressed
 

On 10/23/2015 12:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 12:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 11:13 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:50 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 10:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/23/15 9:56 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has
gone
up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely
disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House
majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who
support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So
sad
that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have
spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you
ask
the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short
of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say
something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and
hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do
with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.


Hillary's testimony yesterday had nothing to do with
"slickness." It
had
everything to do with knowledge, preparation, temperment, and the
indisputable fact that her adversaries on the committee, and they
were
adversaries, were for the most part total goofuses whose political
motivations were apparent to all but the dumbest observer.


It's rare when you and I agree especially when it comes to Hillary
but I
think hell just froze over.



Well, she id fighting for her political life. She can't just say
"what
difference does it make" and expect to get away with it.


I am not converting to a supporter of Hillary but credit is due when
credit is due. She handled a bunch of hungry political jackals with
patience and professionalism. That's what I was impressed with. I am
sure much of it comes from her lawyer training and background but it's
also a demonstration of the temperament required to be POTUS.


The slick lawyer in her surfaces.


Maybe. But *should* Trump get the GOP nomination she will make
mincemeat of him in presidential debates.


Maybe not. Trump is a good talker, and fairly quick minded. He may
bring
up some very embarrassing items. And her slickness may not play well.



Hillary is going to be a great president, and a powerful one. It'll be
fun to see who chokes on that. :)
I'll be the first.

Impressed
 

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:56:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/23/2015 7:56 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/22/2015 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Hope I am not being too naive, but my respect for Hillary has gone up a
several notches after watching her handle the absolutely disgraceful
performance and inquisition by the Tea Party programmed House majority.

Those members of the GOP involved in this farce and those who support
them should be ashamed of themselves.

This is not normal.


They don't call em slick Willy and slick Hilly for nothing. So sad that
you are impressed with them.


My respect for Hillary rose somewhat because of how she handled
a bunch of low life, tea party, ultra right wing idiots who have spent
over $21 million tax payer dollars for political gain purposes.
If it's not illegal, it sure should be. How many times do you ask the
same question expecting a different response?

Plus, it was obvious that the 11 hour grilling was nothing short of an
attempt to wear her down and get her either blow up or say something
that would aid their goal of keeping her poll numbers down and hopefully
keep her from getting elected. This hearing had nothing to do with
Benghazi and everything to do with politics.

Can't argue with any of that, even if it does make Krause cream his knickers.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

Impressed
 

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


Oh, well, we already have Christian religious fundamentalists in this
country, including some politicians, who express their hatred for those
who believe differently in terms that are beginning to sound like the
Islamists. As just one example, read through some of the crap Mike
Huckabee has said in the past couple of years, and, of course, we have
have incidents of Christian religious fundamentalists taking violent
actions against those who believe differently. It's just a matter of
time here.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 8:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving
fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get
Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.



Well, she was pressed pretty hard, harder than she would be by reporters
or by any of the GOPer wannabes, and her performance was close to
flawless. She'll have a lot of fun with the two know-nothings, Trump and
Carson, and will easily handle any of the others.

Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:32:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

Ted Cruz could slice and dice her in a debate, if facts mean anything
to you. I am not a big fan of his politics but he has good
credentials.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:32:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

Ted Cruz could slice and dice her in a debate, if facts mean anything
to you. I am not a big fan of his politics but he has good
credentials.


The problem with Cruz is that he continuously goes way over the line. He
can't control himself, and he'll look like the asshole he is. And I
doubt if he could beat Mrs. Clinton in a debate. What he has mostly
is...attitude.

Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:10:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:32:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

Ted Cruz could slice and dice her in a debate, if facts mean anything
to you. I am not a big fan of his politics but he has good
credentials.


The problem with Cruz is that he continuously goes way over the line. He
can't control himself, and he'll look like the asshole he is. And I
doubt if he could beat Mrs. Clinton in a debate. What he has mostly
is...attitude.

Cruz is pretty smart and a Harvard educated debater. Unfortunately we
don't really have debates these days., They are just Q&A sessions
where the candidates get all of the questions in advance.

After he 96 debates where Perot and Browne sliced and diced Clinton
and Dole, with questions they did not want to answer, the parties made
sure that would never happen again. Now debates are just another stop
on the campaign trail where they get to recite lines from their stump
speech.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:10:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:32:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

Ted Cruz could slice and dice her in a debate, if facts mean anything
to you. I am not a big fan of his politics but he has good
credentials.


The problem with Cruz is that he continuously goes way over the line. He
can't control himself, and he'll look like the asshole he is. And I
doubt if he could beat Mrs. Clinton in a debate. What he has mostly
is...attitude.

Cruz is pretty smart and a Harvard educated debater. Unfortunately we
don't really have debates these days., They are just Q&A sessions
where the candidates get all of the questions in advance.

After he 96 debates where Perot and Browne sliced and diced Clinton
and Dole, with questions they did not want to answer, the parties made
sure that would never happen again. Now debates are just another stop
on the campaign trail where they get to recite lines from their stump
speech.


I remember that Perot made an ass of himself, as usual. Browne made no
impression whatsoever...

Libertarians make a great show out of discussing the politically
impossible, which is one of the reasons why they'll never win a
presidential election.

Who is fighting for the Libertarian nomination in 2016? Ron Paul? Bob
Barr? Someone else who can get 1/2 of 1% of the vote? So long as they
suck those votes from the Republicans, it's fine with me.

Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

From one who is a lying f'ing joke, eh Krause?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

On 10/24/2015 12:01 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:10:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 07:32:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we
have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before
the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving
fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get
Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is
formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

Ted Cruz could slice and dice her in a debate, if facts mean anything
to you. I am not a big fan of his politics but he has good
credentials.


The problem with Cruz is that he continuously goes way over the line. He
can't control himself, and he'll look like the asshole he is. And I
doubt if he could beat Mrs. Clinton in a debate. What he has mostly
is...attitude.

Cruz is pretty smart and a Harvard educated debater. Unfortunately we
don't really have debates these days., They are just Q&A sessions
where the candidates get all of the questions in advance.

After he 96 debates where Perot and Browne sliced and diced Clinton
and Dole, with questions they did not want to answer, the parties made
sure that would never happen again. Now debates are just another stop
on the campaign trail where they get to recite lines from their stump
speech.


I remember that Perot made an ass of himself, as usual. Browne made no
impression whatsoever...

Libertarians make a great show out of discussing the politically
impossible, which is one of the reasons why they'll never win a
presidential election.

Who is fighting for the Libertarian nomination in 2016? Ron Paul? Bob
Barr? Someone else who can get 1/2 of 1% of the vote? So long as they
suck those votes from the Republicans, it's fine with me.


Greg makes a great point about the "debates" though. They are not
debates. I remember one a while back ... maybe it was when Perot
was running ... when the participants were allowed to ask questions
of each other and have a give and take on whatever the issue they raised
was.