Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

It is hard to understand where you are going with these brain farts.

Are you saying the policies in North Africa were sound?
Are you saying bad policy is a criminal matter?
Are you saying they didn't bomb an aspirin factory and kill an
innocent night watchman?

Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:01:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:47 AM, wrote:

After he 96 debates where Perot and Browne sliced and diced Clinton
and Dole, with questions they did not want to answer, the parties made
sure that would never happen again. Now debates are just another stop
on the campaign trail where they get to recite lines from their stump
speech.


I remember that Perot made an ass of himself, as usual. Browne made no
impression whatsoever...

Perot is the one who put the focus on the debt and caused most of the
efforts at deficit reduction, although Clinton still never actually
did anything about the debt. (in spite of the legend)
Perot's charts would still be relevant today

Libertarians make a great show out of discussing the politically
impossible, which is one of the reasons why they'll never win a
presidential election.

That still does not make the message invalid. The libertarians are all
about rights. You agree with about 75% of their positions based on
what you criticized from the web site.
Your main disagreement is that you want a bigger, more unsustainable
government controlling all aspects of your life..


Who is fighting for the Libertarian nomination in 2016? Ron Paul? Bob
Barr? Someone else who can get 1/2 of 1% of the vote? So long as they
suck those votes from the Republicans, it's fine with me.

I doubt they get many votes from the fundies in the GOP. Things like
ending the drug war, gay rights, immigration, women's rights and
ending stupid wars will separate them.
I liked Harry Browne and Gary Johnson, Bob Barr not so much. (voted
for Paris Hilton in that one)
The Pauls are not Libertarians

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:10:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Greg makes a great point about the "debates" though. They are not
debates. I remember one a while back ... maybe it was when Perot
was running ... when the participants were allowed to ask questions
of each other and have a give and take on whatever the issue they raised
was.


That was probably 96.
It was embarrassing for Dole and Clinton when they were not prepared
to answer questions from Perot and Browne. The next time, we only had
the 2 parties there and the questions were given in advance.

2000 was just the George and Al show. George made Al look like a moron
when he approached GWs podium like he was going to intimidate him.
GW just gave him a cursory nod and continued what he was saying.
Al just stood there a minute, looking like he was caught in his
underwear at the airport and slinked back to his spot.
No matter what else was said, that was what most people took away from
the debate. It was just reciting stump speeches anyway.

******

BTW spell check keeps wanting to change Perot to Peyote

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On 10/24/2015 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.


They probably should have.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/15 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

It is hard to understand where you are going with these brain farts.

Are you saying the policies in North Africa were sound?
Are you saying bad policy is a criminal matter?
Are you saying they didn't bomb an aspirin factory and kill an
innocent night watchman?


I'm saying that many of these events that trouble you so much are part
and parcel of living in today's world. And I don't for a moment believe
that "bad policy decisions" were the reason for Cheney's helping to lie
us into two unnecessary wars that required massive numbers of American
troops on the ground.

Impressed
 

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:48:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

It is hard to understand where you are going with these brain farts.

Are you saying the policies in North Africa were sound?
Are you saying bad policy is a criminal matter?
Are you saying they didn't bomb an aspirin factory and kill an
innocent night watchman?


I'm saying that many of these events that trouble you so much are part
and parcel of living in today's world. And I don't for a moment believe
that "bad policy decisions" were the reason for Cheney's helping to lie
us into two unnecessary wars that required massive numbers of American
troops on the ground.

The "lie" may be faulty intelligence but it would not be the first
time it happened and it won't be the last. It is still a policy
decision.
That was a decision supported by the current front runner on the
Democratic ticket, the UN and most of our allies, some of whom fed us
the flawed intel in the first place. .

I have never even heard the allegation that Afghanistan was a lie,
that is all you.
The problem there is Democrats were saying that was the "good war" and
encouraging Bush to go bigger. The reality was we missed OBL in Tora
Bora and we should have left as quietly as we entered.

Impressed
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.




She failed at enough of her foreign affairs as SOS to know foreign affairs.

Impressed
 

On 10/24/2015 11:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.




She failed at enough of her foreign affairs as SOS to know foreign affairs.

She failed at domestic affairs as well. She sat on her hands while
Willie was...............well you know.

Impressed
 

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/25/2015 12:32 PM, wrote:

The flaw in your logic is the no fly zones were not part of the
original cease fire and that essentially restarted the war.
Overflying a sovereign country with armed aircraft and shooting
missiles into the crowd is an act of war.
They were started right before the 1992 election and actually became
the Clinton policy.
By the time GW took office, a state of war had existed in Iraq for
over 8 years.
People are trying to reinstate that situation in Iraq again as we
speak.
What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

I also think the way we are parsing "combat deaths" with the rest of
the people dying is down right Orwellian. Most of the GIs who died in
Iraq were not "combat deaths" in the current twisted definition.



I stand corrected. The UN did not authorize the no fly zones. The US
Britain and France did, mostly to protect the Kurds.

"Protecting the Kurds" was just a euphemism for supporting a CIA
inspired coup. It became clear that we needed boots on the ground to
actually accomplish that so we did.

Regardless, it wasn't the only Resolution being broken and Saddam was
certainly starting to behave in a militaristic manner again.


He was simply emulating Bill Clinton and believing he was bullet
proof. We bombed him just about every day for a decade and he was as
powerful as ever,. The US was even losing the allies they had counted
on for most of that time.
By 2003, the only choice was becoming, walk away and let him have the
win or go get him. Pressure from the Eastern Med assured, walking away
was never going to be an option.
I doubt Al Gore would have come up with any better option either.
If we were seen as supporting an Israelis in a war with saddam it
would have been infinitely worse. You only have to look at 1974 to get
a clue and that did not even involve an invasion of a muslim state.

Impressed
 

On 10/25/2015 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/25/2015 12:32 PM, wrote:

The flaw in your logic is the no fly zones were not part of the
original cease fire and that essentially restarted the war.
Overflying a sovereign country with armed aircraft and shooting
missiles into the crowd is an act of war.
They were started right before the 1992 election and actually became
the Clinton policy.
By the time GW took office, a state of war had existed in Iraq for
over 8 years.
People are trying to reinstate that situation in Iraq again as we
speak.
What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

I also think the way we are parsing "combat deaths" with the rest of
the people dying is down right Orwellian. Most of the GIs who died in
Iraq were not "combat deaths" in the current twisted definition.



I stand corrected. The UN did not authorize the no fly zones. The US
Britain and France did, mostly to protect the Kurds.

"Protecting the Kurds" was just a euphemism for supporting a CIA
inspired coup. It became clear that we needed boots on the ground to
actually accomplish that so we did.

Regardless, it wasn't the only Resolution being broken and Saddam was
certainly starting to behave in a militaristic manner again.


He was simply emulating Bill Clinton and believing he was bullet
proof. We bombed him just about every day for a decade and he was as
powerful as ever,. The US was even losing the allies they had counted
on for most of that time.
By 2003, the only choice was becoming, walk away and let him have the
win or go get him. Pressure from the Eastern Med assured, walking away
was never going to be an option.
I doubt Al Gore would have come up with any better option either.
If we were seen as supporting an Israelis in a war with saddam it
would have been infinitely worse. You only have to look at 1974 to get
a clue and that did not even involve an invasion of a muslim state.



I've often thought that the morning after a new President's inauguration
a meeting is held in a secure room and he is briefed by the CIA, the
NSA, the FBI and other intelligence groups (that we probably don't even
know about) as to what the world situation *really* is. The public
never knows the details. We get the dumbed down versions that have gaps
that don't often make sense.

Impressed
 

On Sunday, October 25, 2015 at 1:41:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/25/2015 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:42:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/25/2015 12:32 PM, wrote:

The flaw in your logic is the no fly zones were not part of the
original cease fire and that essentially restarted the war.
Overflying a sovereign country with armed aircraft and shooting
missiles into the crowd is an act of war.
They were started right before the 1992 election and actually became
the Clinton policy.
By the time GW took office, a state of war had existed in Iraq for
over 8 years.
People are trying to reinstate that situation in Iraq again as we
speak.
What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

I also think the way we are parsing "combat deaths" with the rest of
the people dying is down right Orwellian. Most of the GIs who died in
Iraq were not "combat deaths" in the current twisted definition.



I stand corrected. The UN did not authorize the no fly zones. The US
Britain and France did, mostly to protect the Kurds.

"Protecting the Kurds" was just a euphemism for supporting a CIA
inspired coup. It became clear that we needed boots on the ground to
actually accomplish that so we did.

Regardless, it wasn't the only Resolution being broken and Saddam was
certainly starting to behave in a militaristic manner again.


He was simply emulating Bill Clinton and believing he was bullet
proof. We bombed him just about every day for a decade and he was as
powerful as ever,. The US was even losing the allies they had counted
on for most of that time.
By 2003, the only choice was becoming, walk away and let him have the
win or go get him. Pressure from the Eastern Med assured, walking away
was never going to be an option.
I doubt Al Gore would have come up with any better option either.
If we were seen as supporting an Israelis in a war with saddam it
would have been infinitely worse. You only have to look at 1974 to get
a clue and that did not even involve an invasion of a muslim state.



I've often thought that the morning after a new President's inauguration
a meeting is held in a secure room and he is briefed by the CIA, the
NSA, the FBI and other intelligence groups (that we probably don't even
know about) as to what the world situation *really* is. The public
never knows the details. We get the dumbed down versions that have gaps
that don't often make sense.

Yes, and that's when the new POTUS goes. "Oh, ****".

Impressed
 

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?

Impressed
 

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

Impressed
 

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.

Impressed
 

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

Impressed
 

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:03:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

I doubt anyone is even being seriously being promoted at this point.
Without the massive amount of bribe money thrown at candidates who
want to bestow generous gifts from the government, they can't afford 2
year campaigns.

Impressed
 

On 10/26/15 12:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:03:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

I doubt anyone is even being seriously being promoted at this point.
Without the massive amount of bribe money thrown at candidates who
want to bestow generous gifts from the government, they can't afford 2
year campaigns.



Ahh, so voting is not the answer, but bitching about the system
is...thank you, Senator Rubio.

Impressed
 

On 10/26/2015 6:43 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/26/15 12:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:03:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:37:36 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/25/15 2:07 PM, wrote:

Sanders is the wild card but I see his chances to be about like
Trumps.



I'm rooting for Trump, Carson, Santorum, Cruz, the crazier the
better.

Then Sanders is right up your alley.


I'm still in the Hillary camp. I don't think 'Mericans are ready
to vote
for a self-described "socialist," even though Sanders is a mild
socialist, at best. I think Hillary will trounce any of the
Republicans
who have a chance of getting the nomination. Hate and stupidity
might
get you the GOP nomination, but I don't think it'll get you the
election.

Yeah we need 4 more years of Bush/Clinton. ;-)

What is the definition of insanity?


Voting for libertarians?

OK fine with me but don't bitch when everything you hate about
corporate America, pretty much stays the same.



Please provide a list of the Libertarian candidates who will be running
for POTUS in 2016 and their odds of being elected.

I doubt anyone is even being seriously being promoted at this point.
Without the massive amount of bribe money thrown at candidates who
want to bestow generous gifts from the government, they can't afford 2
year campaigns.



Ahh, so voting is not the answer, but bitching about the system
is...thank you, Senator Rubio.

So cast your votes quietly and quit bitching about anything republican.

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:29:58 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

It really makes me wonder about that education you are always bragging
about if we never even see a glimmer of it peeking out from under the
box it hides beneath

Good point.

===

I can't see it either but it smells like bovine excrement.

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.

Impressed
 

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the winter.

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:44:18 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:29:58 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

It really makes me wonder about that education you are always bragging
about if we never even see a glimmer of it peeking out from under the
box it hides beneath

Good point.

===

I can't see it either but it smells like bovine excrement.

Truth, that.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.


....as proven by Don every day.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the winter.

Some of my little handyman projects around here are as demanding as
that and I am not a teenager

Impressed
 

On 10/26/15 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the winter.

Some of my little handyman projects around here are as demanding as
that and I am not a teenager


Now, how would you know that? Spend nine hours a day on a loading dock,
carrying 60-80 pound crates and boxes of merchandise off a pallet and
into a hot 40' trailer and stack them floor to ceiling from the nose to
the doors? Climb inside a funky old boiler out on a railroad siding,
armed with manual and torch cutting tools, and spend the day breathing
in all the **** that's accumulated in there for a couple of decades?
Hey, I'm not bragging, but those were the sorts of "no show" jobs you
claimed I had. So, as usual, your assumptions were...bull****.

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:43:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the winter.

Some of my little handyman projects around here are as demanding as
that and I am not a teenager


Now, how would you know that? Spend nine hours a day on a loading dock,
carrying 60-80 pound crates and boxes of merchandise off a pallet and
into a hot 40' trailer and stack them floor to ceiling from the nose to
the doors?

I worked for Swift delivering meat. Walk a block in downtown DC with a
hind quarter on your shoulder and get back to me.
How about carrying 10 square of shingles from the truck, up the ladder
to the roof, then nailing them down.

I was 67

Again, how old were you?

I dug out a footer that ended up being 2 yards of dirt last summer and
that was in Florida heat that is too much for you, sitting in a chair
reading your book.
Don't **** with me about work, you brag that your education allows you
to sit and think in an air conditioned room for a living.

Climb inside a funky old boiler out on a railroad siding,
armed with manual and torch cutting tools, and spend the day breathing
in all the **** that's accumulated in there for a couple of decades?

That is just a ****ty job, not necessarily hard. If you like that, I
have a septic tank story for you.
Maybe if you were armed with more real life skills, you could have
found a better job.

Hey, I'm not bragging, but those were the sorts of "no show" jobs you
claimed I had. So, as usual, your assumptions were...bull****.

Sorry,

BTW how long did you do that?

Impressed
 

On 10/26/15 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:43:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the winter.

Some of my little handyman projects around here are as demanding as
that and I am not a teenager


Now, how would you know that? Spend nine hours a day on a loading dock,
carrying 60-80 pound crates and boxes of merchandise off a pallet and
into a hot 40' trailer and stack them floor to ceiling from the nose to
the doors?

I worked for Swift delivering meat. Walk a block in downtown DC with a
hind quarter on your shoulder and get back to me.
How about carrying 10 square of shingles from the truck, up the ladder
to the roof, then nailing them down.

I was 67

Again, how old were you?

I dug out a footer that ended up being 2 yards of dirt last summer and
that was in Florida heat that is too much for you, sitting in a chair
reading your book.
Don't **** with me about work, you brag that your education allows you
to sit and think in an air conditioned room for a living.

Climb inside a funky old boiler out on a railroad siding,
armed with manual and torch cutting tools, and spend the day breathing
in all the **** that's accumulated in there for a couple of decades?

That is just a ****ty job, not necessarily hard. If you like that, I
have a septic tank story for you.
Maybe if you were armed with more real life skills, you could have
found a better job.

Hey, I'm not bragging, but those were the sorts of "no show" jobs you
claimed I had. So, as usual, your assumptions were...bull****.

Sorry,

BTW how long did you do that?



These, as I stated, were my summer jobs between college semesters. I was
a teen-ager. I spent two summers as a Teamster, loading trucks at two
different plants, and a summer plus some as a cleaner-welder at the old
Bigelow Boiler Company, cleaning, guess what, boilers. I assure you, the
boiler company job was hard.

These were pretty good jobs for a college kid, and paid a lot more than
minimum wage back then.

I kept up with the welding after college, with a local union and during
the day, until I got my ticket. I worked on the morning paper in Kansas
City, and had four to five hours of "slack time" during most weekdays
and on Saturdays.

Impressed
 

On 10/26/2015 5:12 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/26/15 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:43:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior
of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it
better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to
"engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly
simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost
of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or
original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing
trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped
ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the
winter.

Some of my little handyman projects around here are as demanding as
that and I am not a teenager


Now, how would you know that? Spend nine hours a day on a loading dock,
carrying 60-80 pound crates and boxes of merchandise off a pallet and
into a hot 40' trailer and stack them floor to ceiling from the nose to
the doors?

I worked for Swift delivering meat. Walk a block in downtown DC with a
hind quarter on your shoulder and get back to me.
How about carrying 10 square of shingles from the truck, up the ladder
to the roof, then nailing them down.

I was 67

Again, how old were you?

I dug out a footer that ended up being 2 yards of dirt last summer and
that was in Florida heat that is too much for you, sitting in a chair
reading your book.
Don't **** with me about work, you brag that your education allows you
to sit and think in an air conditioned room for a living.

Climb inside a funky old boiler out on a railroad siding,
armed with manual and torch cutting tools, and spend the day breathing
in all the **** that's accumulated in there for a couple of decades?

That is just a ****ty job, not necessarily hard. If you like that, I
have a septic tank story for you.
Maybe if you were armed with more real life skills, you could have
found a better job.

Hey, I'm not bragging, but those were the sorts of "no show" jobs you
claimed I had. So, as usual, your assumptions were...bull****.

Sorry,

BTW how long did you do that?



These, as I stated, were my summer jobs between college semesters. I was
a teen-ager. I spent two summers as a Teamster, loading trucks at two
different plants, and a summer plus some as a cleaner-welder at the old
Bigelow Boiler Company, cleaning, guess what, boilers. I assure you, the
boiler company job was hard.

These were pretty good jobs for a college kid, and paid a lot more than
minimum wage back then.

I kept up with the welding after college, with a local union and during
the day, until I got my ticket. I worked on the morning paper in Kansas
City, and had four to five hours of "slack time" during most weekdays
and on Saturdays.

Ticket?

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:28:21 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 10/26/2015 5:12 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:

I kept up with the welding after college, with a local union and during
the day, until I got my ticket. I worked on the morning paper in Kansas
City, and had four to five hours of "slack time" during most weekdays
and on Saturdays.

Ticket?

Certified in that flavor of welding.

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:53:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Ahh. I spent a summer when I was but 15 delivering fish and shellfish to
restaurants. Pedaled around on my bike, which was fitted with a small
cooler. A friend had a job getting blood from a local slaughterhouse and
carrying it in buckets to a medical lab to feed vampire bats. Us kids
decided he had the best job. That was when he started college locally. ?


My best job was lifeguard. I could hustle up swimming lessons for
cash, on the job and I was running a "Junior Lifesaver" class (for
free) so I had people to man the chair. (I had a Red Cross WSI
ticket) Most of the kids in the pool during the day were in the class
anyway.
It was basically sitting around under an umbrella talking to teenaged
girls. The money was crap tho, less than minimum wage.
I only stayed a month but I did get 3 or 4 kids through the program
and a few adults learned the basics of swimming, Enough to paddle
around in the pool without a float anyway. That was when the guy down
at the Teamsters told me he could get me a real job.
I wanted a car, so I took the offer. I expected a helper job at Swift
but when they found out I had a chauffeurs license I got the driver
job, ****ing off the folks who were there. It was good while it
lasted.
The cash guy didn't care.

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:12:08 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/26/15 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:43:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/26/15 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:57:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



There's little of value in rec.boats, and what with the behavior of the
right-wing trash here, I see no incentive to try to make it better. I
don't know why you fellows cannot understand my reluctance to "engage"
here, as it were. I've posted the reasons many times in fairly simple
English.

So you are just a troll like Slammer.


Oh...my daddy didn't have to fork over many dollars to pay for my
undergrad degree. Thanks to his union connections, I was able to get
summer jobs that paid enough to cover most of my costs, and with
part-time jobs during the semester, I had pocket money, too. I had a
fellowship from my employer at the time to cover much of the cost of my
M.A., and the pittance I was paid as a graduate teaching assistant
covered the rest.

Ah daddy got you a no show job.
It was still a waste of money if all you can come up with are these
brain farts.
At least when your buddy Boriwitz comes up with stupid **** and lies,
it is presented as satire and fairly well written. You just spew
insults and bull****. High school dropouts can do that.



You seem to not be able to understand what I am telling you. I've
explained it simply and often enough. That I don't post long or original
stuff here doesn't make me a troll. Sorry. Clean up the right-wing trash
posters here and see what happens. Not my job.

My "no show" jobs required me to show up every day and work my ass off
for eight to ten hours a day, loading 40' trucks, driving and cleaning
forklifts, and crawling inside boilers to clean and repair them,
including welding. I doubt you ever worked those sorts of physically
demanding jobs in your entire life, unless, perhaps, you chipped ice off
the decks of those Coast Guard yachts in the North Atlantic in the winter.

Some of my little handyman projects around here are as demanding as
that and I am not a teenager


Now, how would you know that? Spend nine hours a day on a loading dock,
carrying 60-80 pound crates and boxes of merchandise off a pallet and
into a hot 40' trailer and stack them floor to ceiling from the nose to
the doors?

I worked for Swift delivering meat. Walk a block in downtown DC with a
hind quarter on your shoulder and get back to me.
How about carrying 10 square of shingles from the truck, up the ladder
to the roof, then nailing them down.

I was 67

Again, how old were you?

I dug out a footer that ended up being 2 yards of dirt last summer and
that was in Florida heat that is too much for you, sitting in a chair
reading your book.
Don't **** with me about work, you brag that your education allows you
to sit and think in an air conditioned room for a living.

Climb inside a funky old boiler out on a railroad siding,
armed with manual and torch cutting tools, and spend the day breathing
in all the **** that's accumulated in there for a couple of decades?

That is just a ****ty job, not necessarily hard. If you like that, I
have a septic tank story for you.
Maybe if you were armed with more real life skills, you could have
found a better job.

Hey, I'm not bragging, but those were the sorts of "no show" jobs you
claimed I had. So, as usual, your assumptions were...bull****.

Sorry,

BTW how long did you do that?



These, as I stated, were my summer jobs between college semesters. I was
a teen-ager. I spent two summers as a Teamster, loading trucks at two
different plants, and a summer plus some as a cleaner-welder at the old
Bigelow Boiler Company, cleaning, guess what, boilers. I assure you, the
boiler company job was hard.

These were pretty good jobs for a college kid, and paid a lot more than
minimum wage back then.

I kept up with the welding after college, with a local union and during
the day, until I got my ticket. I worked on the morning paper in Kansas
City, and had four to five hours of "slack time" during most weekdays
and on Saturdays.

Do you think someone here, besides Don, really believes you?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:44:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I was born the son of a sharecropper.

You lucky *******. At least you had a profession you could inherit.
;-)

"My family was Irish. When they came here they didn't have a cushy
plantation job waiting for them" (Bill Maher)

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My summer jobs were stacking mostly 80 lb alphalfa hay bales on a wagon and into a barn from sun up to sundown. Start at 6:30am to about 9pm. 6 days a week.

Usually 80-90 degrees in the direct sun and 120+ in the barn while breathing straw and hay dust all day.

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One of my tougher jobs was struggling with 400 pound cubes of rubber....trying to drag them out from under the wings of a cargo ships hold and hook up to the winch for offloading. A number of the full time longshoreman disappeared....leaving a few of the reliable guys and a handful of us hired from the bullpen to do the work.

Impressed
 

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

My summer jobs were stacking mostly 80 lb alphalfa hay bales on a wagon and into a barn from sun up to sundown. Start at 6:30am to about 9pm. 6 days a week.

Usually 80-90 degrees in the direct sun and 120+ in the barn while breathing straw and hay dust all day.

Baling and stacking hay was often a multi-family job. I really enjoyed the dinners
with two or three families, usually a huge mess of fried chichen with the goodies.
Then back to work 'til the sun went down.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

One of my tougher jobs was struggling with 400 pound cubes of rubber....trying to drag them out from under the wings of a cargo ships hold and hook up to the winch for offloading. A number of the full time longshoreman disappeared....leaving a few of the reliable guys and a handful of us hired from the bullpen to do the work.

I suppose that was good training for a janitor's job, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Impressed
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

My summer jobs were stacking mostly 80 lb alphalfa hay bales on a wagon
and into a barn from sun up to sundown. Start at 6:30am to about 9pm. 6 days a week.

Usually 80-90 degrees in the direct sun and 120+ in the barn while
breathing straw and hay dust all day.

Baling and stacking hay was often a multi-family job. I really enjoyed the dinners
with two or three families, usually a huge mess of fried chichen with the goodies.
Then back to work 'til the sun went down.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I was pretty young when I helped my uncle hay. I drug the bales in to
position on the trailer. Could not toss them up high enough. Hard work.

Impressed
 

On 10/27/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

One of my tougher jobs was struggling with 400 pound cubes of rubber....trying to drag them out from under the wings of a cargo ships hold and hook up to the winch for offloading. A number of the full time longshoreman disappeared....leaving a few of the reliable guys and a handful of us hired from the bullpen to do the work.


I suppose that was good training for a janitor's job, eh?


I think that was uncalled for.

I don't know what Don did for a living but what does it matter?

I realized years ago as I watched my dad in his final days and my
father-in-law in his that what they held as jobs or had as titles in
their lives didn't matter. What mattered is they both fed and clothed
their families, paid the rent or mortgage and kept the lights on. How
they accomplished it is secondary.

Impressed
 

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

One of my tougher jobs was struggling with 400 pound cubes of rubber....trying to drag them out from under the wings of a cargo ships hold and hook up to the winch for offloading. A number of the full time longshoreman disappeared....leaving a few of the reliable guys and a handful of us hired from the bullpen to do the work.

For just good old hard work, moving a computer system in the olden
days was right up there. You had a room full of "boxes" (computer
frames), the size of a commercial sub zero refrigerator, weighing up
to half a ton or so, connected with a buttload of cables about an inch
in diameter and up to 100 feet long. All of this had to be
disconnected and moved around all the while you were throwing 30 pound
floor tiles. Most of the time, the protective rings around the floor
tile cuts were gone and the saw cuts were razor sharp. Just another
little hazard to deal with.
.... and they wanted it all to happen on a shift, maybe two.


It was a white collar job tho, since we were still wearing suits.

The biggest system frames were called "Elemax" (size), the largest
thing you can get in a standard office building elevator with the trim
off of the interior of the elevator and the covers off the machine.
It still got ugly some time when the weight would screw up where the
car stopped and it wouldn't roll off.
A "Johnson Bar" was a handy tool to have.

Impressed
 

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:32:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/27/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

One of my tougher jobs was struggling with 400 pound cubes of rubber....trying to drag them out from under the wings of a cargo ships hold and hook up to the winch for offloading. A number of the full time longshoreman disappeared....leaving a few of the reliable guys and a handful of us hired from the bullpen to do the work.


I suppose that was good training for a janitor's job, eh?




I think that was uncalled for.

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Yes. There his no need to stir the pot here. It just leads to more
of the same old rancor. My personal policy is not to attack anyone
unless my sensibilities have been seriously insulted.