Mr. Luddite wrote:


I avoided this thread. I thought it was a bunch
of George H. W. Bush bashing.




He was and is a decent guy. Smart, too...unlike his sons. 😀

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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.

On 10/15/15 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.


I was discussing what you refer to as thugs, which is your code word to
describe a portion of black society. These are not the same people as
most of the mass shooters that do their work in schools, movie theaters,
shopping centers, killing students, teachers, et cetera. And, yes,
hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.


I was discussing what you refer to as thugs, which is your code word to
describe a portion of black society. These are not the same people as
most of the mass shooters that do their work in schools, movie theaters,
shopping centers, killing students, teachers, et cetera. And, yes,
hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence.


Why are they hungry? We have a pretty elaborate welfare system. They can
afford guns, and bullets. Lots are fat. Why do they drop out of school at
rates that are many times higher than the non thugs? Seems as if violence
and drugs breeds a culture of violence and drugs. Maybe we should stop the
war on drugs. And the drug problem would decrease. We have spent
trillions on the War on Poverty, and if anything we have a higher rate now
then when LBJ started the war. Maybe the war against s the problem?

Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...

BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?
Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.
Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.


Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.
Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.


The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...
Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.


I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.
So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.

I was discussing what you refer to as thugs, which is your code word to
describe a portion of black society. These are not the same people as
most of the mass shooters that do their work in schools, movie theaters,
shopping centers, killing students, teachers, et cetera. And, yes,
hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence.

Why are they hungry? We have a pretty elaborate welfare system. They can
afford guns, and bullets. Lots are fat. Why do they drop out of school at
rates that are many times higher than the non thugs? Seems as if violence
and drugs breeds a culture of violence and drugs. Maybe we should stop the
war on drugs. And the drug problem would decrease. We have spent
trillions on the War on Poverty, and if anything we have a higher rate now
then when LBJ started the war. Maybe the war against s the problem?




Harry assumed that "thug" meant black. I guess he is the racist since
there are gangs composed of black, Hispanic, *and* white trash!

On 10/15/15 7:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.


I was discussing what you refer to as thugs, which is your code word to
describe a portion of black society. These are not the same people as
most of the mass shooters that do their work in schools, movie theaters,
shopping centers, killing students, teachers, et cetera. And, yes,
hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence.


Why are they hungry? We have a pretty elaborate welfare system. They can
afford guns, and bullets. Lots are fat. Why do they drop out of school at
rates that are many times higher than the non thugs? Seems as if violence
and drugs breeds a culture of violence and drugs. Maybe we should stop the
war on drugs. And the drug problem would decrease. We have spent
trillions on the War on Poverty, and if anything we have a higher rate now
then when LBJ started the war. Maybe the war against s the problem?




Bilious, you're a cartoon of the Tea Party.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:22:41 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.


I was discussing what you refer to as thugs, which is your code word to
describe a portion of black society.

That is not really true. I see lots of rich white kids who want to
emulate that same thug culture. They dress, talk and act like the
thugs you are referring to. They are also one trigger pull away from
being a murderer but it is still rare.

These are not the same people as
most of the mass shooters that do their work in schools, movie theaters,
shopping centers, killing students, teachers, et cetera.

Agreed but that is also a small percentage of the murders in this
country. It is just the ones that make the news.
And, yes,
hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence.

So there are no unemployed people in Europe? I also disagree that
there are that many "hungry" people here. If they are, it is because
they traded their EBT card for drugs. We have the fattest "poor"
people in the world.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:19:29 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 7:38 PM, Califbill wrote:

Why are they hungry? We have a pretty elaborate welfare system. They can
afford guns, and bullets. Lots are fat. Why do they drop out of school at
rates that are many times higher than the non thugs? Seems as if violence
and drugs breeds a culture of violence and drugs. Maybe we should stop the
war on drugs. And the drug problem would decrease. We have spent
trillions on the War on Poverty, and if anything we have a higher rate now
then when LBJ started the war. Maybe the war against s the problem?




Bilious, you're a cartoon of the Tea Party.

He is certainly right about LBJ's war on poverty.
It has been a horrible failure on several fronts.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 7:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:21:15 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

So now you are saying all of the mass shooters are starving, homeless,
jobless people?

I thought it was just because they had access to a gun.


I was discussing what you refer to as thugs, which is your code word to
describe a portion of black society. These are not the same people as
most of the mass shooters that do their work in schools, movie theaters,
shopping centers, killing students, teachers, et cetera. And, yes,
hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence.


Why are they hungry? We have a pretty elaborate welfare system. They can
afford guns, and bullets. Lots are fat. Why do they drop out of school at
rates that are many times higher than the non thugs? Seems as if violence
and drugs breeds a culture of violence and drugs. Maybe we should stop the
war on drugs. And the drug problem would decrease. We have spent
trillions on the War on Poverty, and if anything we have a higher rate now
then when LBJ started the war. Maybe the war against s the problem?




Bilious, you're a cartoon of the Tea Party.


Another non answer. What a f'n idiot.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:14:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:01 AM, True North wrote:
Better get a few more, Ditzy. The boogie man is coming.



The jerk bought *another* gun? It's going to be damned funny when
someone breaks into his tract house and steals them all...

Didn't you just buy another gun, Harry?

So he's got 41 and you've got a dozen or so. That makes him a jerk?

Would it be funny if someone broke into your house and stole your collection?
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Ban idiots, not guns!