Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 12:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...


The NZ kid had availability.



Gosh, Bilious, didn't you see the part about "...the failure to detect
most of those with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of
shootings in this country and the acceptance of it by people like
you..." as differences between 'Merica and other modern western nations
where firearms are available?

Guess not.


Did you miss the part where we do not accept the killings. We wonder why
so many. How many mass killings a year? How many killed a year in
Chicago? How many shootouts in Detroit, Chicago, DC kill or injure more
than most of the mass shootings? Is a culture, not availability of
firearms.

On 10/15/15 12:53 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 12:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...


The NZ kid had availability.



Gosh, Bilious, didn't you see the part about "...the failure to detect
most of those with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of
shootings in this country and the acceptance of it by people like
you..." as differences between 'Merica and other modern western nations
where firearms are available?

Guess not.


Did you miss the part where we do not accept the killings. We wonder why
so many. How many mass killings a year? How many killed a year in
Chicago? How many shootouts in Detroit, Chicago, DC kill or injure more
than most of the mass shootings? Is a culture, not availability of
firearms.



Bilious...we do accept the killings. We lead the modern western world in
gun killings. We're Number One! Be proud.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:56:00 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Bill...we do accept the killings. We lead the modern western world in
gun killings. We're Number One! Be proud.

We would lead the western world in killings even if you ignored all
the ones by gun. Try again.

On 10/15/15 2:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.



I suspect it is a bit more complicated than your attempts to blame what
you call the "thug" culture. And yes, we do have a more violent culture
and that violence towards people includes a hell of a lot more than what
you think is violence.

Hunger breeds violence, joblessness breeds violence, poverty breeds
violence, homelessness breeds violence, illness breeds violence. We have
a lot of all three, and we don't and never have paid the sort of
attention we should to these. Add in a society that doesn't really care
about actual violence and the availability of guns, and voila.

On 10/15/15 2:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:56:00 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Bill...we do accept the killings. We lead the modern western world in
gun killings. We're Number One! Be proud.

We would lead the western world in killings even if you ignored all
the ones by gun. Try again.


Be even prouder, then! We're #1!

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:15:53 -0400, wrote:

It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)

===

You forget the violent, anti-social music produced by wealthy
democrats in California.

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:51:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/15/15 10:29 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:34:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article 9lrt1btkj1dvb19k8no9jek6hv48d35ve1@
4ax.com, says...


BTW are you following the story about the 12 year old who ran into a
store with a loaded rifle (New Zealand). He threatened to kill
everyone. Everything was there but the willingness to actually shoot
someone. Do you really think culture has nothing to do with this?

Sure, they're not exposed to our gun culture.

Now explain that to Harry who says they watch all of the same movies
and play the same video games.



Our "gun culture" is built on a lot more than movies and video games,
which are pretty much the same in all modern western countries.

Explain that. What part of our gun culture here makes a 12 year old
more likely to actually shoot someone?
Since this kid had the rifle, availability had nothing to do with it.



The easy availability of firearms, the failure to detect most of those
with a tendency towards violence, the tremendous number of shootings in
this country and the acceptance of it by people like you...

Since he had the gun, availability was not the issue and the rest of
your answer is gibberish unless you are simply saying we have a more
violent culture.
We kill more people with blunt objects that most of the western
democracies do with all weapons, including bare hands.
How is that a gun culture problem?
It is just a violent culture problem, driven by the thug culture which
has become mainstream, protected by the left.
(saggy pants and hoodies for example)
When people want to look like thugs and act like thugs, they kill like
thugs and get killed like thugs.


Well stated. Stopped for fuel in the Central Valley a couple weeks ago.
Sign on door of mini-mart. Hoodies will be removed before entering.

I avoided this thread. I thought it was a bunch
of George H. W. Bush bashing.

I avoided this thread. I thought it was a bunch
of George H. W. Bush bashing.
........

I did some time ago because not for Bush, but like most threads, I knew it'd turn south quickly. No surprise that it did...,