On 10/13/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 3:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 12:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 11:08 AM, Califbill wrote:



Never said college and education should not be subsidized. I stated
that
for education for self enjoyment should not be.

Bilious, it's not my problem if you didn't enjoy your college
courses. I
enjoyed many, if not all, of mine. Oh, wait...was that allowed? Perhaps
you are referring to electives...electives were required, and I did
take
a couple that had only peripheral connections to my majors, and I did
enjoy them.

Education for self-enjoyment. Now there is a concept. Are you referring
to guitar lessons? Making rubber molds for dildos? I managed to work in
some courses in art history, music, and archeology. Perhaps you should
have worked in some courses in English as she is written.



I enjoyed college. Except for some ****ty professors, was great. And
electives are needed. But to have a four year+ regimen of studies, that
lead to no useful skills, is a waste of taxpayer money. Society pays
for
primary schools, so our youth can be contributing members of society.
Not
to make them good at Trivial Pursuit. Big problem in certain large
cities
is the amount of youths who forgo education and decide dealing drugs and
robbery is going to be their contribution.


I'm fairly certain you are not in charge of deciding what comprises
"useful skills. We also differ on the purpose of education. You and most
others here have the trade school concept...you get educated in order to
get and hold a job. I think the purpose of education is to instill a
desire to learn, and to teach students how to use their minds, and where
to go to acquire the facts they need in order to make intelligent
decisions.


Lovely thoughts but most people like to eat.




Oh? And somehow instilling a desire to learn, learning how to use your
mind, and learning how to acquire facts interferes with earning a living
so you can eat?

How interesting.

On 10/13/2015 5:57 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 3:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 12:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 11:08 AM, Califbill wrote:



Never said college and education should not be subsidized. I stated
that
for education for self enjoyment should not be.

Bilious, it's not my problem if you didn't enjoy your college
courses. I
enjoyed many, if not all, of mine. Oh, wait...was that allowed?
Perhaps
you are referring to electives...electives were required, and I did
take
a couple that had only peripheral connections to my majors, and I did
enjoy them.

Education for self-enjoyment. Now there is a concept. Are you
referring
to guitar lessons? Making rubber molds for dildos? I managed to
work in
some courses in art history, music, and archeology. Perhaps you should
have worked in some courses in English as she is written.



I enjoyed college. Except for some ****ty professors, was great. And
electives are needed. But to have a four year+ regimen of studies,
that
lead to no useful skills, is a waste of taxpayer money. Society pays
for
primary schools, so our youth can be contributing members of society.
Not
to make them good at Trivial Pursuit. Big problem in certain large
cities
is the amount of youths who forgo education and decide dealing drugs
and
robbery is going to be their contribution.


I'm fairly certain you are not in charge of deciding what comprises
"useful skills. We also differ on the purpose of education. You and most
others here have the trade school concept...you get educated in order to
get and hold a job. I think the purpose of education is to instill a
desire to learn, and to teach students how to use their minds, and where
to go to acquire the facts they need in order to make intelligent
decisions.


Lovely thoughts but most people like to eat.




Oh? And somehow instilling a desire to learn, learning how to use your
mind, and learning how to acquire facts interferes with earning a living
so you can eat?

How interesting.
Seems to have been true in your case.

On 10/13/2015 6:57 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 3:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 12:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 11:08 AM, Califbill wrote:



Never said college and education should not be subsidized. I stated
that
for education for self enjoyment should not be.

Bilious, it's not my problem if you didn't enjoy your college
courses. I
enjoyed many, if not all, of mine. Oh, wait...was that allowed?
Perhaps
you are referring to electives...electives were required, and I did
take
a couple that had only peripheral connections to my majors, and I did
enjoy them.

Education for self-enjoyment. Now there is a concept. Are you
referring
to guitar lessons? Making rubber molds for dildos? I managed to
work in
some courses in art history, music, and archeology. Perhaps you should
have worked in some courses in English as she is written.



I enjoyed college. Except for some ****ty professors, was great. And
electives are needed. But to have a four year+ regimen of studies,
that
lead to no useful skills, is a waste of taxpayer money. Society pays
for
primary schools, so our youth can be contributing members of society.
Not
to make them good at Trivial Pursuit. Big problem in certain large
cities
is the amount of youths who forgo education and decide dealing drugs
and
robbery is going to be their contribution.


I'm fairly certain you are not in charge of deciding what comprises
"useful skills. We also differ on the purpose of education. You and most
others here have the trade school concept...you get educated in order to
get and hold a job. I think the purpose of education is to instill a
desire to learn, and to teach students how to use their minds, and where
to go to acquire the facts they need in order to make intelligent
decisions.


Lovely thoughts but most people like to eat.






Oh? And somehow instilling a desire to learn, learning how to use your
mind, and learning how to acquire facts interferes with earning a living
so you can eat?


Only if you make a career of it.

I don't understand your distinction of "desire to learn", "using your
mind" and "learning how to acquire facts". Everyone I know were
exposed to those objectives and most accomplished them (maybe at varying
degrees) while attending school in anticipation of pursuing a specific
career choice ... or "trade" ... as you like to put it.

There's nothing wrong with education for the sake of learning and
expanding one's ideas, understandings, views and maybe even degrees of
tolerance. I've done it, some very recently. I signed up for some
courses on a subject that interests me and has nothing to do with my
previous working career. I just wanted to understand it better.

That said however, most young people are attending college or
universities to obtain the fundamental qualification to pursue a career
choice.

On 10/13/15 7:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:57 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 3:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 12:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 11:08 AM, Califbill wrote:



Never said college and education should not be subsidized. I stated
that
for education for self enjoyment should not be.

Bilious, it's not my problem if you didn't enjoy your college
courses. I
enjoyed many, if not all, of mine. Oh, wait...was that allowed?
Perhaps
you are referring to electives...electives were required, and I did
take
a couple that had only peripheral connections to my majors, and I did
enjoy them.

Education for self-enjoyment. Now there is a concept. Are you
referring
to guitar lessons? Making rubber molds for dildos? I managed to
work in
some courses in art history, music, and archeology. Perhaps you
should
have worked in some courses in English as she is written.



I enjoyed college. Except for some ****ty professors, was great. And
electives are needed. But to have a four year+ regimen of studies,
that
lead to no useful skills, is a waste of taxpayer money. Society pays
for
primary schools, so our youth can be contributing members of society.
Not
to make them good at Trivial Pursuit. Big problem in certain large
cities
is the amount of youths who forgo education and decide dealing drugs
and
robbery is going to be their contribution.


I'm fairly certain you are not in charge of deciding what comprises
"useful skills. We also differ on the purpose of education. You and
most
others here have the trade school concept...you get educated in
order to
get and hold a job. I think the purpose of education is to instill a
desire to learn, and to teach students how to use their minds, and
where
to go to acquire the facts they need in order to make intelligent
decisions.


Lovely thoughts but most people like to eat.






Oh? And somehow instilling a desire to learn, learning how to use your
mind, and learning how to acquire facts interferes with earning a living
so you can eat?


Only if you make a career of it.


I don't know any "professional" students.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:55:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


I don't know any "professional" students.

Just because you don't know many people born after the Carter
administration.

The way the current student loan scam is structured, kids have to stay
in school or they have to start paying down the loan ... but if you
are staying in school, you are racking up more principal, while that
interest is still compounding on your back.

If you can't make enough money to eat and cover that minimum loan
payment, you have to go back to school in hopes another degree will do
the trick and it generally doesn't..
I know several "kids" (30 sumpin) in that exact jam.

Crack has nothing on the student loan program. They both have the
effect that the more you take, the more you need.

Another case of,
"We are from the government and we are here to help" ;-)

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 5:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 3:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 12:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 11:08 AM, Califbill wrote:



Never said college and education should not be subsidized. I stated
that
for education for self enjoyment should not be.

Bilious, it's not my problem if you didn't enjoy your college
courses. I
enjoyed many, if not all, of mine. Oh, wait...was that allowed? Perhaps
you are referring to electives...electives were required, and I did
take
a couple that had only peripheral connections to my majors, and I did
enjoy them.

Education for self-enjoyment. Now there is a concept. Are you referring
to guitar lessons? Making rubber molds for dildos? I managed to work in
some courses in art history, music, and archeology. Perhaps you should
have worked in some courses in English as she is written.



I enjoyed college. Except for some ****ty professors, was great. And
electives are needed. But to have a four year+ regimen of studies, that
lead to no useful skills, is a waste of taxpayer money. Society pays
for
primary schools, so our youth can be contributing members of society.
Not
to make them good at Trivial Pursuit. Big problem in certain large
cities
is the amount of youths who forgo education and decide dealing drugs and
robbery is going to be their contribution.


I'm fairly certain you are not in charge of deciding what comprises
"useful skills. We also differ on the purpose of education. You and most
others here have the trade school concept...you get educated in order to
get and hold a job. I think the purpose of education is to instill a
desire to learn, and to teach students how to use their minds, and where
to go to acquire the facts they need in order to make intelligent
decisions.


Lovely thoughts but most people like to eat.




Oh? And somehow instilling a desire to learn, learning how to use your
mind, and learning how to acquire facts interferes with earning a living
so you can eat?

How interesting.


In your estimation it does. University is for "learning". Trade school
for real information.