CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:38:54 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

It is a different situation altogether.
In Syria, Russia will have a willing partner on the ground. That is
more than the US can say, unless you count a rabble of Kurdish
fighters we can't really trust.
It turns out our "allies" are giving some of the weapons we supply to
ISIS. Personally I would just let the Russians deal with it, even if
it means Assad stays. Every time we have deposed one of these
dictators it turned out worse for us.

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:31:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:38:54 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

It is a different situation altogether.
In Syria, Russia will have a willing partner on the ground. That is
more than the US can say, unless you count a rabble of Kurdish
fighters we can't really trust.
It turns out our "allies" are giving some of the weapons we supply to
ISIS. Personally I would just let the Russians deal with it, even if
it means Assad stays. Every time we have deposed one of these
dictators it turned out worse for us.

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 10/1/15 11:44 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:31:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:38:54 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

It is a different situation altogether.
In Syria, Russia will have a willing partner on the ground. That is
more than the US can say, unless you count a rabble of Kurdish
fighters we can't really trust.
It turns out our "allies" are giving some of the weapons we supply to
ISIS. Personally I would just let the Russians deal with it, even if
it means Assad stays. Every time we have deposed one of these
dictators it turned out worse for us.

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


You think the Russkies will make nice with ISIS-ISIL?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:45:03 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 11:44 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:31:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:38:54 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

It is a different situation altogether.
In Syria, Russia will have a willing partner on the ground. That is
more than the US can say, unless you count a rabble of Kurdish
fighters we can't really trust.
It turns out our "allies" are giving some of the weapons we supply to
ISIS. Personally I would just let the Russians deal with it, even if
it means Assad stays. Every time we have deposed one of these
dictators it turned out worse for us.

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


You think the Russkies will make nice with ISIS-ISIL?

Nope. That's their excuse to expand their presence in that neck of the woods.

BTW, have you repainted your Maryland red barn lately? Last I saw, it was in need of
some fresh paint.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:31:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:38:54 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

It is a different situation altogether.
In Syria, Russia will have a willing partner on the ground. That is
more than the US can say, unless you count a rabble of Kurdish
fighters we can't really trust.
It turns out our "allies" are giving some of the weapons we supply to
ISIS. Personally I would just let the Russians deal with it, even if
it means Assad stays. Every time we have deposed one of these
dictators it turned out worse for us.

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.

Russia is going to try to reach out and regain some of it's previous
power. I doubt we will stop that. I am not even sure we want to.
They have always wanted a have a base on the Med and Syria offers that
opportunity. I suppose the foreign policy question for us is who is
the most dangerous to us? A stronger Russia or a stronger ISIS?
If Russia stabilized Iraq and Syria, I think I vote for Russia.
We have never had a war with the Russians, we have been at war in Iraq
for 25 years.

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:14:09 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:31:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:38:54 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
CNN had the Russian bomb sight photos of their Syrian air strikes. I
guess we are used to seeing the thing in the cross hairs blow up.
I saw one where they simply hit everything in the frame with something
that looked like a cluster bomb. The second one blew a huge hole about
75 meters from the building they appeared to be aiming at.

Maybe CNN just picked the misses but they certainly had some.


Hopefully, Syria will turn into another Afghanistan for the Russkies.

It is a different situation altogether.
In Syria, Russia will have a willing partner on the ground. That is
more than the US can say, unless you count a rabble of Kurdish
fighters we can't really trust.
It turns out our "allies" are giving some of the weapons we supply to
ISIS. Personally I would just let the Russians deal with it, even if
it means Assad stays. Every time we have deposed one of these
dictators it turned out worse for us.

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.

Russia is going to try to reach out and regain some of it's previous
power. I doubt we will stop that. I am not even sure we want to.
They have always wanted a have a base on the Med and Syria offers that
opportunity. I suppose the foreign policy question for us is who is
the most dangerous to us? A stronger Russia or a stronger ISIS?
If Russia stabilized Iraq and Syria, I think I vote for Russia.
We have never had a war with the Russians, we have been at war in Iraq
for 25 years.

Russia may well have oil in its sights.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:44:18 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.

===

We should be OK with that if it stabilizes the country and stops the
ISIS plague from spreading further. Even if Assad is deposed Syria is
not going to turn into a tourist mecca or bastion of Western style
democracy.

If Assad was deposed, Syria would turn into the same black hole Iraq
turned into when we killed Saddam.

I know we are supposed to hate totalitarian dictators but they seem to
be the only ones who can hold down the crazies in these places.

On 10/2/2015 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:18:28 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:44:18 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

I think we're going to see a much bigger Russian presence in Syria than was ever
imagined, and I'm not talking about a destroyer making a social visit.

===

We should be OK with that if it stabilizes the country and stops the
ISIS plague from spreading further. Even if Assad is deposed Syria is
not going to turn into a tourist mecca or bastion of Western style
democracy.

If Assad was deposed, Syria would turn into the same black hole Iraq
turned into when we killed Saddam.

I know we are supposed to hate totalitarian dictators but they seem to
be the only ones who can hold down the crazies in these places.

===

Sometimes the world is full of tough choices. Hindsight being 20/20,
I'd vote for stability. The notion of democratic government is
totally alien to the prevailing culture. They have no foundation for
it unfortunately.



Very true.