#39
 

On 10/2/2015 5:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/2/15 1:37 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)



Gosh, that's right...it's target shooting. I didn't say or imply "self
defense drills" had anything to do with it.

Gosh, I wonder why one would use a 357 revolver for target practice.
Must be pretty tough paper he's shooting at.

#39
 

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
..45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

#39
 

On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 9:16:57 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

True, but I have a custom built one that has a match grade barrel and an adjustable trigger. It's very accurate. It just wouldn't last long out in the field, as a few grains of sand would probably lock it up. It's built very tight, unlike the military versions that are built loose for a reason.

#39
 

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:17:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.

I guess you never qualified with the .45. ;-)
My old chief could keep all 7 in the palm of your hand at 25 yards.
He also scoffed at the idea that a hardball .45 was not accurate. It
was the shooter, not the gun.
He had me shooting it fairly well after a while. I still never
embraced slow fire with a handgun although we did shoot at an oil drum
in the dump where we used to shoot and see how far away we could hit
it. (up to 100 yards or so)
That was really more plinking than target shooting tho.
I think of a handgun being an extension of my skeet shooting, more
than rifle shooting.
It came in handy when I hit a running rat in the house with my
frontier scout. Rolled him with one shot.

#39
 

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:35:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 9:16:57 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

True, but I have a custom built one that has a match grade barrel and an adjustable trigger. It's very accurate. It just wouldn't last long out in the field, as a few grains of sand would probably lock it up. It's built very tight, unlike the military versions that are built loose for a reason.

I have the Kimber which is much better than the old Army .45's, but is probably not
up to par to yours.

I've not tried the Kimber at 25 yards. Will have to give it a shot.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

#39
 

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:14:13 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:17:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.

I guess you never qualified with the .45. ;-)

Correct. That's why I said 'familiarization' above.

My old chief could keep all 7 in the palm of your hand at 25 yards.
He also scoffed at the idea that a hardball .45 was not accurate. It
was the shooter, not the gun.
He had me shooting it fairly well after a while. I still never
embraced slow fire with a handgun although we did shoot at an oil drum
in the dump where we used to shoot and see how far away we could hit
it. (up to 100 yards or so)
That was really more plinking than target shooting tho.
I think of a handgun being an extension of my skeet shooting, more
than rifle shooting.
It came in handy when I hit a running rat in the house with my
frontier scout. Rolled him with one shot.

I'll try the Kimber at 25 yards next time I go to the range. I promise not to pencil
punch holes in a target and then post a picture of it.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

#39
 

On 10/2/15 11:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:35:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 9:16:57 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

True, but I have a custom built one that has a match grade barrel and an adjustable trigger. It's very accurate. It just wouldn't last long out in the field, as a few grains of sand would probably lock it up. It's built very tight, unlike the military versions that are built loose for a reason.

I have the Kimber which is much better than the old Army .45's, but is probably not
up to par to yours.

I've not tried the Kimber at 25 yards. Will have to give it a shot.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Lots of problems with Kimber .45s...as this one example specifies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7NdLNlRa0

#39
 

On 10/2/15 11:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:17:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.

I guess you never qualified with the .45. ;-)
My old chief could keep all 7 in the palm of your hand at 25 yards.
He also scoffed at the idea that a hardball .45 was not accurate. It
was the shooter, not the gun.
He had me shooting it fairly well after a while. I still never
embraced slow fire with a handgun although we did shoot at an oil drum
in the dump where we used to shoot and see how far away we could hit
it. (up to 100 yards or so)
That was really more plinking than target shooting tho.
I think of a handgun being an extension of my skeet shooting, more
than rifle shooting.
It came in handy when I hit a running rat in the house with my
frontier scout. Rolled him with one shot.



Hehehe.

When I got my first modern handgun, a Glock 9mm, as a matter of fact, my
instructor trained me at "defensive distances," which tapped out at
seven yards. Too easy and to me boring. If you can't shoot a really
really tight group at seven yards, you have no business even owning a
handgun. I like shooting handguns at 25 yards. I've found that with
regular practice, I can shoot .357 MAG hardball into a really tight
group - all six rounds - at that distance using the standard "iron
sights" on my S&W 686. I'm taking lessons now from a really "hotshot"
cowboy action shooter, not for cowboy action shooting, but to perfect -
as much as I can - accurate one-handed revolver shooting from various
stances. It's an interesting challenge.

Easiest handgun shooting? My Ruger Mark III .22LR with the red dot
sight. I sent the pistol out to Volquartsen for installation of all its
kits and wowser...it's just terrifically accurate.

#39
 

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:23:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/2/15 11:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:35:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 9:16:57 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:37:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:55:50 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:


Why in the world would he be doing self defense drills at 75 feet? It
doesn't make sense.

That is just target shooting at that point. I know hunters who train
at those kind of distances and even out to 50 or 75 yards. It will be
a large bore pistol tho.
The military typically shoots at 25 yards (I assume meters these days)

All of my .45 shooting (familiarization, not qualification) was done at about 7
yards. I can't imagine trying to hit a target at 25 yards with those old military
.45's. Well, maybe if the target was a tank.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

True, but I have a custom built one that has a match grade barrel and an adjustable trigger. It's very accurate. It just wouldn't last long out in the field, as a few grains of sand would probably lock it up. It's built very tight, unlike the military versions that are built loose for a reason.

I have the Kimber which is much better than the old Army .45's, but is probably not
up to par to yours.

I've not tried the Kimber at 25 yards. Will have to give it a shot.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Lots of problems with Kimber .45s...as this one example specifies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7NdLNlRa0

I 'spect I could find a 'problem' with about any gun you can think of, just as there
would be videos praising Kimbers. I don't use the Kimber magazines though. I like the
Wilson Combat much better.

Now, about that Vietnam service of yours? What unit was that? (You could just say the
name of the unit was classified. That'd probably work.)
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

#39
 

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:43:13 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Now, about that Vietnam service of yours? What unit was that? (You could just say the
name of the unit was classified. That'd probably work.)

===

In that case we should be able to find it on Hillary's EMAIL server.
:-)