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Trump Seals His Fate
On 10/5/2015 1:27 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 01:11:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/5/2015 12:25 AM, wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:46:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: So, we are saying the same thing. When it comes to guns, federal law should apply, not 50 different state laws. There is a little problem with the feds having the constitutional authority. We have been pushing the envelope on the 14th amendment until it is ready to pop. Someday someone is going to say, going to federal prison is not a "right", it is over reach by an imperial federal government. At that point lots of federal laws concerning things that should be a state issue, like the drug war, will go away. The fact is that before the LBJ and Nixon administrations, they were not using the 14th amendment as an excuse to violate the 9th and 10th. That amendment protects RIGHTS across state lines. It is not carte blanche for the feds to pass any law they like, beyond their constitutional powers. (Prohibition required a constitutional amendment. Early drug and gun laws were "taxes") Thing is, when it comes to gun control laws, the Federal laws are far more lenient and favor gun owners than many of the state laws. === Perhaps but at least you have the option to stay out of states with onerous laws, or more likely, keep your gun out. That doesn't solve the interstate travel problem but if you're not taking public transportation, that's relatively low risk with reasonable precautions. Why not *fix* it so law abiding gun owners are not technically breaking the law when traveling? |
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Trump Seals His Fate
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:33:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/5/2015 1:27 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 01:11:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/5/2015 12:25 AM, wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:46:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: So, we are saying the same thing. When it comes to guns, federal law should apply, not 50 different state laws. There is a little problem with the feds having the constitutional authority. We have been pushing the envelope on the 14th amendment until it is ready to pop. Someday someone is going to say, going to federal prison is not a "right", it is over reach by an imperial federal government. At that point lots of federal laws concerning things that should be a state issue, like the drug war, will go away. The fact is that before the LBJ and Nixon administrations, they were not using the 14th amendment as an excuse to violate the 9th and 10th. That amendment protects RIGHTS across state lines. It is not carte blanche for the feds to pass any law they like, beyond their constitutional powers. (Prohibition required a constitutional amendment. Early drug and gun laws were "taxes") Thing is, when it comes to gun control laws, the Federal laws are far more lenient and favor gun owners than many of the state laws. === Perhaps but at least you have the option to stay out of states with onerous laws, or more likely, keep your gun out. That doesn't solve the interstate travel problem but if you're not taking public transportation, that's relatively low risk with reasonable precautions. Why not *fix* it so law abiding gun owners are not technically breaking the law when traveling? That has been law since 1986, some Northeastern states are just not honoring it. See 18 USC § 926A Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided , That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. (Added Pub. L. 99–360, §?1(a), July 8, 1986, 100 Stat. 766 |
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Trump Seals His Fate
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:33:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/5/2015 1:27 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 01:11:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/5/2015 12:25 AM, wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:46:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: So, we are saying the same thing. When it comes to guns, federal law should apply, not 50 different state laws. There is a little problem with the feds having the constitutional authority. We have been pushing the envelope on the 14th amendment until it is ready to pop. Someday someone is going to say, going to federal prison is not a "right", it is over reach by an imperial federal government. At that point lots of federal laws concerning things that should be a state issue, like the drug war, will go away. The fact is that before the LBJ and Nixon administrations, they were not using the 14th amendment as an excuse to violate the 9th and 10th. That amendment protects RIGHTS across state lines. It is not carte blanche for the feds to pass any law they like, beyond their constitutional powers. (Prohibition required a constitutional amendment. Early drug and gun laws were "taxes") Thing is, when it comes to gun control laws, the Federal laws are far more lenient and favor gun owners than many of the state laws. === Perhaps but at least you have the option to stay out of states with onerous laws, or more likely, keep your gun out. That doesn't solve the interstate travel problem but if you're not taking public transportation, that's relatively low risk with reasonable precautions. Why not *fix* it so law abiding gun owners are not technically breaking the law when traveling? Federally, it's fixed. State-wise it's not being enforced. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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Trump Seals His Fate
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:10:03 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:33:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/5/2015 1:27 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 01:11:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/5/2015 12:25 AM, wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:46:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: So, we are saying the same thing. When it comes to guns, federal law should apply, not 50 different state laws. There is a little problem with the feds having the constitutional authority. We have been pushing the envelope on the 14th amendment until it is ready to pop. Someday someone is going to say, going to federal prison is not a "right", it is over reach by an imperial federal government. At that point lots of federal laws concerning things that should be a state issue, like the drug war, will go away. The fact is that before the LBJ and Nixon administrations, they were not using the 14th amendment as an excuse to violate the 9th and 10th. That amendment protects RIGHTS across state lines. It is not carte blanche for the feds to pass any law they like, beyond their constitutional powers. (Prohibition required a constitutional amendment. Early drug and gun laws were "taxes") Thing is, when it comes to gun control laws, the Federal laws are far more lenient and favor gun owners than many of the state laws. === Perhaps but at least you have the option to stay out of states with onerous laws, or more likely, keep your gun out. That doesn't solve the interstate travel problem but if you're not taking public transportation, that's relatively low risk with reasonable precautions. Why not *fix* it so law abiding gun owners are not technically breaking the law when traveling? Federally, it's fixed. State-wise it's not being enforced. It does beg the question why the DoJ did not enjoin the state from prosecuting that guy who got stranded in Newark with a checked pistol. Oh wait, it was a democratically controlled DoJ. Following the law is optional if they do not agree with the politics. |
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