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On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:32:08 -0400, John H.
wrote:


The problem with the laws is that they are not enforced, or there is little or no
penalty when they *are* enforced.

Most violations of GCA68 are 5 years in prison and some NFA34
violations are 10 years.

Those are the 2 main federal laws and pretty much everything is just
an amendment to those 2 laws. (mostly to GCA86)

The feeling is that both have been tested in SCOTUS so amendments are
easier to justify.than a whole new law.

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:52:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 6:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?


Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the applicant.


How would your regular doctor know you were under treatment for severe depression or
whatever? A psychiatrist can't divulge that info without some pretty stringent
requirements.

All your medical records (and I assume mental health records, if any)
are electronically stored and available for authorized people (docs) to
download and read.

Last time I visited my primary care physician he asked about the results
of a stress test I had taken two year prior. Before I could answer he
pulled up the results on his laptop in the exam office.



You had to sign a HIPPA authorization or he was breaking the law. It
was probably in that 15 page packet you fill out every time you go to
a different doctor.
How many people would sign a HIPPA release if they knew the
information was going to be a public record, as virtually any
government document is. (with the Snowden factor, they are all public
records)
The question becomes what ELSE would be affected by this?
Jobs, housing, credit?

If I was an employer I might be reluctant to hire a guy who the
government says can't be trusted with a gun because of mental
problems. I certainly wouldn't rent them an apartment. Too hard to
clean up the blood when they snap.

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

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On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:19:36 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Perhaps the Form 4473 should have a space for the doctor to sign stating..."
Name...has no mental problems which should preclude the purchase of a firearm, to the
best of my knowledge."

Any doctor?

Damn we can't even stop doctor shopping for narcotics. How would this
work?

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:20:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Doesn't work that way now-a-days. There was a time up here when the
local police chief could (and did) make it policy to deny virtually
all gun permits. It was that way back in the 1980's when I first
thought about getting a permit. I was talking to my lawyer about it
and he basically said, "Forget it". The policy of the chief in the town
I lived did not include issuance of gun permits.

That is the same way it works with "Form 4s" (ATF form for machine
guns and silencers) but there is a "trust" loophole that lets you get
around it.

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:38:22 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article QMCdnZwV5dFqu5LLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

On 10/2/2015 7:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article vf4u0bt5443i5mtab23sjn589hflufbta9@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

===

If you don't mind living in an over regulated police state.

Personally I'd rather take my chances with a rare/occasional bad guy
than need a permit every time I turn around. In my opinion we are
already over regulated, especially in the north eastern population
centers where most of this springs from.



Now Luddite, do your ****-slinging at Wayne.
Tell him he's uncaring.
You can't, because he's a fellow traveler.

Why would I? Unlike you, Wayne can express his disagreements
as a mature adult minus the insults and snarky responses you
are so prone to.


That's the so-called passion you have for the
innocent victims of gun crime. Wayne doesn't want to
go to all the trouble of getting a permit, because
of "over regulation."
He doesn't give one damn **** about them, because the
poor guy doesn't want to be inconvenienced.
You think he's a "mature adult."
Well, I say he doesn't give a **** about what's going
on. He doesn't want to deal with "government
regulation."

Fellow traveler? WTF are you talking about now?

Well, you just explained it yourself.
Neither of you really care about the victims.
Apparently because you're "mature adults."
Well I do care. I don't travel with you.
I am for federal registration of firearms.
And I want that to be very inconvenient.
You should get used to mass killings, because you
sure won't change anything soft-pedaling gun control.
So just get used to it.
Won't be too long before there's another.



Nobody has explained how permits, licenses or background checks would
have stopped any of the recent shooters from getting their guns. Until
they snapped, they were pretty much squeaky clean.

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wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:00:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 15:36:32 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:24:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

How about severe penalties for illegal weapons possession? Make possession of such a
federal offense - minimum five years.

Most illegal purchases are a federal crime now had have been since the
Johnson administration, including BAO's "hopping across the line to
buy a gun at a show" (at least 2 counts for each gun)

There are plenty of laws, just not a lot of enforcement

I'm talking possession, not purchase. I think federal judges might be a bit more
severe in their punishments.

Every possession represents a sale, transfer (the same in the law) or
a theft.
It is simply an unenforced crime when that was done illegally.

The only way the cops usually fond out about a "possession" is when
they are investigating another crime and the gun charge gets traded
away or simply not even billed.


Years ago in Maryland, armed robbers discharged the firearm during the
robbery. They knew they would be caught, and armed robbery was 20- life.
Plea bargain to assault by shooting and get 2-5, and out in 18 months. Do
not know hat the rules are these days. But scumbags know their way around
the laws.

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On 10/3/2015 12:34 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:29:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The concept of the license requirement to buy ammo is to
get around the NRA supported 2nd Amendment "right" claims. There's an
interpreted "right" to own firearms which is used to ward off any
reasonable gun control legislation and it would take an Act of Congress
to change the wording or interpretation. It will never happen. But,
ammo isn't mentioned in the "right".

BTW, there are already several states that require a license or permit
in order to legally purchase a firearm. There is also at least one
state (mine) that also requires the presentation of a valid and current
gun permit in order to purchase ammunition.

No permit ... no ammo.


You still have not explained how this stops the mass shooters we have
seen. I can't think of any of them who would did not pass a background
check, except the young ones who got the guns and ammo at home from a
parent who did.

The last time I remember a gun show was involved was Columbine, back
in the Clinton administration.


I think I've said several times that it's not perfect and changes won't
happen overnight. It's a start.

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On 10/3/2015 12:43 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?


Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the applicant.


HIPPA be damned huh?
If there was a "can not buy" attached to your name, who knows what
other things you might have trouble doing. Don't even bother saying
these databases wound be secure or even that they would be immune from
FOIA.

I have no problem identifying crazy people or even locking them up
like we used to do but I would be in the minority.



It's the risk you take when applying for a gun permit. If you know
you have reasons to be denied, perhaps you shouldn't apply. Another
"plus".

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On 10/3/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:52:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 6:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?


Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the applicant.


How would your regular doctor know you were under treatment for severe depression or
whatever? A psychiatrist can't divulge that info without some pretty stringent
requirements.

All your medical records (and I assume mental health records, if any)
are electronically stored and available for authorized people (docs) to
download and read.

Last time I visited my primary care physician he asked about the results
of a stress test I had taken two year prior. Before I could answer he
pulled up the results on his laptop in the exam office.



You had to sign a HIPPA authorization or he was breaking the law. It
was probably in that 15 page packet you fill out every time you go to
a different doctor.
How many people would sign a HIPPA release if they knew the
information was going to be a public record, as virtually any
government document is. (with the Snowden factor, they are all public
records)
The question becomes what ELSE would be affected by this?
Jobs, housing, credit?

If I was an employer I might be reluctant to hire a guy who the
government says can't be trusted with a gun because of mental
problems. I certainly wouldn't rent them an apartment. Too hard to
clean up the blood when they snap.



I have to admit that it's amazing to see how many reasons there
are that you "can't" do something with very little consideration
as to how maybe you "can". If enough thought and energy were
given to solving the problem as given to the reasons why you can't,
maybe some progress could be made.

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On 10/3/2015 1:13 AM, wrote:





Nobody has explained how permits, licenses or background checks would
have stopped any of the recent shooters from getting their guns. Until
they snapped, they were pretty much squeaky clean.



There is no simple solution that would have stopped any of the recent
shootings Greg. It's a problem that has to be worked at and will take
time. But you have to be willing to take the first step.

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On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:09:16 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:19:36 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Perhaps the Form 4473 should have a space for the doctor to sign stating..."
Name...has no mental problems which should preclude the purchase of a firearm, to the
best of my knowledge."

Any doctor?

Damn we can't even stop doctor shopping for narcotics. How would this
work?

Actually, there was a lot of sarcasm there, which is why I added 'or just forge one':

"That would be pretty simple. The purchaser could take the form to his doc, pay the
office visit price, get a signature (or just forge one), and take the form back to
the gun dealer."

I am not agreeing with Luddite's 'doctor sign off' requirement.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

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On 10/3/15 7:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:09:16 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:19:36 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Perhaps the Form 4473 should have a space for the doctor to sign stating..."
Name...has no mental problems which should preclude the purchase of a firearm, to the
best of my knowledge."

Any doctor?

Damn we can't even stop doctor shopping for narcotics. How would this
work?

Actually, there was a lot of sarcasm there, which is why I added 'or just forge one':

"That would be pretty simple. The purchaser could take the form to his doc, pay the
office visit price, get a signature (or just forge one), and take the form back to
the gun dealer."

I am not agreeing with Luddite's 'doctor sign off' requirement.
--

You don't think your doc would sign a note saying a racist p.o.s. like
you is "ok" to buy a firearm, eh? You might be right.

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On 10/3/15 2:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:52:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 6:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find
a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools
are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for
the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health
issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they
need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in
schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?


Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the
applicant.


How would your regular doctor know you were under treatment for
severe depression or
whatever? A psychiatrist can't divulge that info without some pretty
stringent
requirements.

All your medical records (and I assume mental health records, if any)
are electronically stored and available for authorized people (docs) to
download and read.

Last time I visited my primary care physician he asked about the results
of a stress test I had taken two year prior. Before I could answer he
pulled up the results on his laptop in the exam office.



You had to sign a HIPPA authorization or he was breaking the law. It
was probably in that 15 page packet you fill out every time you go to
a different doctor.
How many people would sign a HIPPA release if they knew the
information was going to be a public record, as virtually any
government document is. (with the Snowden factor, they are all public
records)
The question becomes what ELSE would be affected by this?
Jobs, housing, credit?

If I was an employer I might be reluctant to hire a guy who the
government says can't be trusted with a gun because of mental
problems. I certainly wouldn't rent them an apartment. Too hard to
clean up the blood when they snap.



I have to admit that it's amazing to see how many reasons there
are that you "can't" do something with very little consideration
as to how maybe you "can". If enough thought and energy were
given to solving the problem as given to the reasons why you can't,
maybe some progress could be made.




"They" don't want progress on this issue. None.

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On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:06:30 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

Best question I've seen all day long.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 02:05:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:52:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 6:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?


Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the applicant.


How would your regular doctor know you were under treatment for severe depression or
whatever? A psychiatrist can't divulge that info without some pretty stringent
requirements.

All your medical records (and I assume mental health records, if any)
are electronically stored and available for authorized people (docs) to
download and read.

Last time I visited my primary care physician he asked about the results
of a stress test I had taken two year prior. Before I could answer he
pulled up the results on his laptop in the exam office.



You had to sign a HIPPA authorization or he was breaking the law. It
was probably in that 15 page packet you fill out every time you go to
a different doctor.
How many people would sign a HIPPA release if they knew the
information was going to be a public record, as virtually any
government document is. (with the Snowden factor, they are all public
records)
The question becomes what ELSE would be affected by this?
Jobs, housing, credit?

If I was an employer I might be reluctant to hire a guy who the
government says can't be trusted with a gun because of mental
problems. I certainly wouldn't rent them an apartment. Too hard to
clean up the blood when they snap.



I have to admit that it's amazing to see how many reasons there
are that you "can't" do something with very little consideration
as to how maybe you "can". If enough thought and energy were
given to solving the problem as given to the reasons why you can't,
maybe some progress could be made.


Perhaps I just live in the real world where crazy people are a
protected class and you can't discriminate against them until they
kill someone. Then they still have more rights than they deserve. You
only have to look at the Holmes trial to see that.
This sombitch may never adequately pay for his crime.
The guy who shot Reagan is another example.

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:06:30 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

===

Are you trying to damage poor widdle hairwee's self esteem?

He's not going to like that - might call you names and other widdle
kiddy tactics.

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On 10/3/2015 8:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:06:30 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

Best question I've seen all day long.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

I won't copy rite it so feel free to use it as often as you wish.

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On 10/3/2015 9:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:06:30 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

===

Are you trying to damage poor widdle hairwee's self esteem?

He's not going to like that - might call you names and other widdle
kiddy tactics.

My guess is that Hairwee has no self esteem.
BTW "Hair Wee" fits him. The picture he showed us with his reflection in
the storm door that he just installed, showed that he is as bald as a
que ball on top with just an unkempt fringe if hair around the
perimeter. I have the photo if you want a copy.

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On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

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On 10/3/2015 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 02:05:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:52:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 6:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?


Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the applicant.


How would your regular doctor know you were under treatment for severe depression or
whatever? A psychiatrist can't divulge that info without some pretty stringent
requirements.

All your medical records (and I assume mental health records, if any)
are electronically stored and available for authorized people (docs) to
download and read.

Last time I visited my primary care physician he asked about the results
of a stress test I had taken two year prior. Before I could answer he
pulled up the results on his laptop in the exam office.



You had to sign a HIPPA authorization or he was breaking the law. It
was probably in that 15 page packet you fill out every time you go to
a different doctor.
How many people would sign a HIPPA release if they knew the
information was going to be a public record, as virtually any
government document is. (with the Snowden factor, they are all public
records)
The question becomes what ELSE would be affected by this?
Jobs, housing, credit?

If I was an employer I might be reluctant to hire a guy who the
government says can't be trusted with a gun because of mental
problems. I certainly wouldn't rent them an apartment. Too hard to
clean up the blood when they snap.



I have to admit that it's amazing to see how many reasons there
are that you "can't" do something with very little consideration
as to how maybe you "can". If enough thought and energy were
given to solving the problem as given to the reasons why you can't,
maybe some progress could be made.


Perhaps I just live in the real world where crazy people are a
protected class and you can't discriminate against them until they
kill someone. Then they still have more rights than they deserve. You
only have to look at the Holmes trial to see that.
This sombitch may never adequately pay for his crime.
The guy who shot Reagan is another example.




Maybe part of the solution is an honest debate and then action on
many issues that face our society, even if not directly related to
crimes conducted with guns. I know it's a very complex problem
and, short of banning private gun ownership completely, there is no
easy answer or one that will eliminate the possibility of some mentally
disturbed person going off the deep end. However, the frequency of
these occurrences (mass shootings) is very disturbing. To "get used
to it" as BOA advocates just doesn't make sense.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/2015 10:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all
of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and,
while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government,
free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net
and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier
with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a
drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

Like he said, and you reiterated. It's complicated.

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On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

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On 10/3/2015 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.



If gun ownership was made very expensive by imposing taxes, liability
insurance requirements, etc. as BOA suggests, he'd be back here
within 6 months bitching that only the rich can afford to own guns.


You're right. It would take him that long to figure it out. :-)

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On 10/3/2015 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:01:39 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

Are there any federal laws prohibiting murder?

Only if you kill a federal employee or a national politician. (US
congress or VP/President)

By and large, murder is a state crime.

Good to know. If you commit murder you should quickly get to a non
extradition state. :-)

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.


Please, enough silly libertarianism for one day, eh?

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/15 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.


I recall that your boys cut or restricted funding and therefore hiring
of workers by the ATF, which supposedly is the agency keeping tabs on
firearm sales. Has that been resolved? Basically, if there are laws,
your NRA'ers don't want them enforced, despite your chatter about them.

This has been going on for a long time:

http://tinyurl.com/ozsq38u

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

I guess you just pay the dealer to do it. Otherwise it was an hour or
two waiting at DMV the last time I did a title in Maryland. When we
were flipping Harleys, I spent a lot of time at DMV.
Florida is a little better but they still recommend an appointment.
At least they are honest about it. "DMV" is the "tax collector".


As for the driver's license, you are right, it is only money.
My mother still had a valid license that arrived a week after she
died. She literally renewed it on her death bed. (renewal form mailed
in with a check)

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.



If gun ownership was made very expensive by imposing taxes, liability
insurance requirements, etc. as BOA suggests, he'd be back here
within 6 months bitching that only the rich can afford to own guns.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:01:39 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

Are there any federal laws prohibiting murder?

Only if you kill a federal employee or a national politician. (US
congress or VP/President)

By and large, murder is a state crime.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:55:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.


Please, enough silly libertarianism for one day, eh?


Why don't you debate the points?

Why shouldn't "DMV" functions be managed by insurance companies? They
are the ones with the skin in the game. They pay out the claims for
bad drivers and the claims for stolen cars. What else is there?

They have already demonstrated that they can track these things better
than 51 state governments (including DC)

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:55:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.


Please, enough silly libertarianism for one day, eh?

===

Tranlation: Harry doesn't like your solution because it doesn't
involve a whole bunch of unionized government employees. After all,
those jobs can be perks for the politically connected.