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On 10/1/15 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

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On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

....about anything beyond his personal needs..."

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:22:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.

How were those trips around the horn?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:48:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

....and you do understand that Greg continuously makes krotch look like a dumb ****.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:43:36 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.


Rather than call names, a la krotch, explain why vets shouldn't be used.

Or, tell us how ISIS is 'just a bunch of thugs'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On 10/1/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:22:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.

How were those trips around the horn?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I'm so happy I'm not a ****ed off, old, decrepit, racist white man with
a failing body and a failing mind...which is a perfectly valid
description of you. You are so full of hate...and nothing else.

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On 10/1/2015 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



Your ignorance is showing.

First of all, the USA is *not* the "rest of the world" and the "rest of
the world" does not handle health care issues in the same way.

Every country has it's unique economic and social structure and how it
deals with social and health services vary. US military medical
personal are well trained ... probably as well or better than any
2 year nursing school and they usually have about four years or more of
direct experience. I am not talking about doctors. I am talking about
enlisted personnel who attended military schools and then worked in the
field during their enlistment. The cost of training each US Navy
Hospital Corpsman is in the six figures. Why not use that investment
when they return to the civilian workplace? They can't directly make
that transition due to political/economic influences that includes the
AMA. Stupid.

Seems like every liberal wants the USA to adopt "the rest of the
world's" solutions. Grass is always greener, eh?

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Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.


Europe uses a walk in clinic attached to the hospital. Does have a doctor
and nurse. Takes 90% of the walk-in trade. And if you are not European
citizen you will pay, or no service if you need anything beyond the walk in
clinic. And a buck or 2 per gallon of gasoline pays a lot of that "free"
medical care. Ain't no free lunch. They also do not have the lawyer cost
we do. Bad lawsuits rarely happen. As loser pays the winners legal costs.
I do not know what they do if an illegal, broke immigrant arrives to give
birth, but may not be a very long stay at the hospital, and minimum care.

ACA did nothing to make healthcare affordable. Just gave more customers to
insurance companies. With huge deductibles. Your $50 a month subsidized
insurance will only cover you if you need $20000 or more of care in a year.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.


Sounds like you are only interested in getting free benefits from your
neighbors who pay taxes. Screw the children and grandchildren that we are
saddling with massive debt.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:22:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.

How were those trips around the horn?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I'm so happy I'm not a ****ed off, old, decrepit, racist white man with
a failing body and a failing mind...which is a perfectly valid
description of you. You are so full of hate...and nothing else.


Nope, you are old white, worthless, gimme, gimme, failing brain person.

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In article ,
says...


Seems like every liberal wants the USA to adopt "the rest of the
world's" solutions. Grass is always greener, eh?

Nope. We have the ACA. That what we got. Are you happy?

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:08:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:22:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.

How were those trips around the horn?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I'm so happy I'm not a ****ed off, old, decrepit, racist white man with
a failing body and a failing mind...which is a perfectly valid
description of you. You are so full of hate...and nothing else.

LOL!

Changing the subject again, krotch?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.

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On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:43:36 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

Bull****. It was an entirely new bill that had dozens of major changes
(like no single payer, public option, the senate bill cost $28 billion
more, the senate bill did not cover gay partners and the list goes on)
Perhaps the biggest thing dropped from the house bill was the senate
did not remove the exemption of insurance companies from anti trust
laws.

Yeah just commas


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.


You must have dodged the draft with Harry. The corpsmen we dealt with
on ship were as good as the techs you see at the doctors office today.
They may have been better than some of the doctors I have been to.


My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


I just threw the vets idea out there because we seem to ignore them.

Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.

Lieberman was a democrat the last time I heard. He certainly was when
he was on the Sore/Looserman ticket.

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


Here, krotch, learn something about the training of medics.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:53:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:


You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

...about anything beyond his personal needs..."

I am not the one throwing my grandchildren under the bus with all this
debt.

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:26:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/1/2015 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



Your ignorance is showing.

First of all, the USA is *not* the "rest of the world" and the "rest of
the world" does not handle health care issues in the same way.

Every country has it's unique economic and social structure and how it
deals with social and health services vary. US military medical
personal are well trained ... probably as well or better than any
2 year nursing school and they usually have about four years or more of
direct experience. I am not talking about doctors. I am talking about
enlisted personnel who attended military schools and then worked in the
field during their enlistment. The cost of training each US Navy
Hospital Corpsman is in the six figures. Why not use that investment
when they return to the civilian workplace? They can't directly make
that transition due to political/economic influences that includes the
AMA. Stupid.

Seems like every liberal wants the USA to adopt "the rest of the
world's" solutions. Grass is always greener, eh?


Lets see how the European welfare system holds up after they absorb
half of Syria/Iraq and everyone else from that region who sneaks
across their border.

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On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.

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On 10/1/15 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:53:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:


You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

...about anything beyond his personal needs..."

I am not the one throwing my grandchildren under the bus with all this
debt.



My grandson will either be a physicist or a linguist at MIT or Harvard,
likely on early admission, with a fully paid ticket. Perhaps he'll
figure out a way to stop the bus before it runs over your grandchildren.

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In article ,
says...

On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.

I didn't even notice that. Must have got lost in the other
bull**** he talks. I'm a vet.
Right-wingers are prone to ****-slinging.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.




Why do they need a BSN? For years, was a RN. Nurses went to school at a
hospital for 3 years. Passed a state test. My mom got her RN in 1938.
Did not need a degree until she went to work for a VNA. Got the degree in
1962. Did not improve her nursing skills, which were top tier. Seems if
is a way of limited entry these days, requiring a degree, or advanced
degree. Why do you need a masters to teach 2nd grade?

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:43:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.



Did that same majority make up bull**** lies about collecting the bodies of dead
soldiers in Vietnam?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:51:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:53:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:


You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

...about anything beyond his personal needs..."

I am not the one throwing my grandchildren under the bus with all this
debt.



My grandson will either be a physicist or a linguist at MIT or Harvard,
likely on early admission, with a fully paid ticket. Perhaps he'll
figure out a way to stop the bus before it runs over your grandchildren.

He will do it by throwing granny from the train

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wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:51:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:53:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:48 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:


You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

...about anything beyond his personal needs..."

I am not the one throwing my grandchildren under the bus with all this
debt.



My grandson will either be a physicist or a linguist at MIT or Harvard,
likely on early admission, with a fully paid ticket. Perhaps he'll
figure out a way to stop the bus before it runs over your grandchildren.

He will do it by throwing granny from the train


Yup a linguist is going to fix the economic debacle pending. He might be
able to phrase it so people feel good about a depression. Doubt it .

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On 10/1/2015 11:22 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Wow. Your **** id really off the wall. What meds are you on?

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On 10/1/2015 12:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:48:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



You do understand that Greg doesn't really give a flying f*ck about
beyond his personal needs.

....and you do understand that Greg continuously makes krotch look like a dumb ****.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

We are all fully aware that Greg is making mince meat out of Krause on a
daily basis. It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

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On 10/1/2015 12:08 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 12:59 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:22:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Have I bragged about a KKK anything? You make about as much sense as
your little
buddy. Maybe you could decipher? I don't mind answering your
questions, 'cause I
don't have to tangle the web trying to deceive you.

How were those trips around the horn?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I'm so happy I'm not a ****ed off, old, decrepit, racist white man with
a failing body and a failing mind...which is a perfectly valid
description of you. You are so full of hate...and nothing else.

Oh! Gag me with a spoon, you pathetic POS.

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On 10/1/2015 12:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2015 12:43 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

.



Your ignorance is showing.

First of all, the USA is *not* the "rest of the world" and the "rest of
the world" does not handle health care issues in the same way.

Every country has it's unique economic and social structure and how it
deals with social and health services vary. US military medical
personal are well trained ... probably as well or better than any
2 year nursing school and they usually have about four years or more of
direct experience. I am not talking about doctors. I am talking about
enlisted personnel who attended military schools and then worked in the
field during their enlistment. The cost of training each US Navy
Hospital Corpsman is in the six figures. Why not use that investment
when they return to the civilian workplace? They can't directly make
that transition due to political/economic influences that includes the
AMA. Stupid.

Seems like every liberal wants the USA to adopt "the rest of the
world's" solutions. Grass is always greener, eh?


What do you expect from Harry's crazy half brother?

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On 10/1/2015 3:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a
triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint,
and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


BSN's don't generally do bedside nursing.

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On 10/1/2015 3:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:35 PM, wrote:



You must have dodged the draft with Harry.


- - -

Why do you keep perpetuating this bull****? Once again, I registered for
the draft, and I kept my draft board informed of my whereabouts.
That was the legal requirement and I followed the requirement.

The overwhelming majority of males in my age group were not drafted. I
was part of that majority.



We only have your word on that. What do you think your word is worth
around here?

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:04:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:09:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Well, one fact that might stick is that the shooter was 20 years old,

Now the shooter is being reported as 26 years old.

See what I mean about jumping to conclusions based on early reports.

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Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/1/2015 3:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a
triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint,
and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


BSN's don't generally do bedside nursing.


They do. Most every nurse these days gets a bachelor degree along with the
nursing license. BSN is just an old school RN, without as much nursing
experience from school.

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On 10/1/2015 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:04:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:09:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Well, one fact that might stick is that the shooter was 20 years old,

Now the shooter is being reported as 26 years old.

See what I mean about jumping to conclusions based on early reports.



Does it really matter how old he was? He was obviously a nutcase.
Nutcases shouldn't own or have easy access to guns.

Time to revamp the laws that allow this to happen.

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On 10/1/2015 10:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/1/2015 3:28 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a
triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint,
and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


BSN's don't generally do bedside nursing.


They do. Most every nurse these days gets a bachelor degree along with the
nursing license. BSN is just an old school RN, without as much nursing
experience from school.

All the ones I know with BSN are in administrative positions.

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In article ,
says...


BTW .. I caught a little bit of Rachael Maddow's show last night. She
can be obnoxious but she does her research. A "mass shooting" is
defined by the FBI as being four or more people being shot.
According to her research, there has been a shooting involving four or
more victims (mass shooting) at least once a *week* in this country
for the past four years or so. One week had 18 of them. My guess is
that most of them are gang related shooting that we don't hear much about.

How long did that take her - half an hour?
How many times did she repeat a phrase?
I saw another newscaster say that in about 15 seconds.
She craves attention. I just can't stand her.

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In article ,
says...


Does it really matter how old he was? He was obviously a nutcase.
Nutcases shouldn't own or have easy access to guns.

Time to revamp the laws that allow this to happen.

Just get used to it. AFAIK, he was a legal gun owner.
Or was allowed access to the guns of a legal gun owner.

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On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:01:19 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:28:50 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 4:24 PM, wrote:


My problem with the current situation is the medical/educational
establishment does not recognize military training and experience.


Well, there certainly are ways to evaluate the education and training,
and "test" the applicants for ability and knowledge. It seems reasonable
to grant qualified military personnel paid apprenticeships at hospitals
while they pursue educationally whatever can reasonably be determined is
needed to help them get a BSN. There are lots of science courses
involved in that BSN.


My grand niece was an ER nurse in the navy and in civilian life she
would have to start like any other high school graduate.
There was no path to use any of her training or experience.

Officer? Normally they'd have to have a nursing degree.

http://www.military-nurse.com/milita...uirements.html
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 02:04:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/1/2015 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:04:43 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:09:41 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Well, one fact that might stick is that the shooter was 20 years old,

Now the shooter is being reported as 26 years old.

See what I mean about jumping to conclusions based on early reports.



Does it really matter how old he was? He was obviously a nutcase.
Nutcases shouldn't own or have easy access to guns.

Time to revamp the laws that allow this to happen.


--

Ban idiots, not guns!