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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.


Please, enough silly libertarianism for one day, eh?

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/15 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.


I recall that your boys cut or restricted funding and therefore hiring
of workers by the ATF, which supposedly is the agency keeping tabs on
firearm sales. Has that been resolved? Basically, if there are laws,
your NRA'ers don't want them enforced, despite your chatter about them.

This has been going on for a long time:

http://tinyurl.com/ozsq38u

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

I guess you just pay the dealer to do it. Otherwise it was an hour or
two waiting at DMV the last time I did a title in Maryland. When we
were flipping Harleys, I spent a lot of time at DMV.
Florida is a little better but they still recommend an appointment.
At least they are honest about it. "DMV" is the "tax collector".


As for the driver's license, you are right, it is only money.
My mother still had a valid license that arrived a week after she
died. She literally renewed it on her death bed. (renewal form mailed
in with a check)

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/3/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.



If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.



If gun ownership was made very expensive by imposing taxes, liability
insurance requirements, etc. as BOA suggests, he'd be back here
within 6 months bitching that only the rich can afford to own guns.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:01:39 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

Are there any federal laws prohibiting murder?

Only if you kill a federal employee or a national politician. (US
congress or VP/President)

By and large, murder is a state crime.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:55:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.


Please, enough silly libertarianism for one day, eh?


Why don't you debate the points?

Why shouldn't "DMV" functions be managed by insurance companies? They
are the ones with the skin in the game. They pay out the claims for
bad drivers and the claims for stolen cars. What else is there?

They have already demonstrated that they can track these things better
than 51 state governments (including DC)

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:55:53 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.


Please, enough silly libertarianism for one day, eh?

===

Tranlation: Harry doesn't like your solution because it doesn't
involve a whole bunch of unionized government employees. After all,
those jobs can be perks for the politically connected.