Last summer, a vendor at a gun show said he loved the ban. The value of his
pre-ban magazines quadrupled. Now he's able to buy more guns and have an
arsenal. :-)



That guy was pumping you. Hi Cap mags are all over for virtually the price of
production. I can get all the 23-30rd M14 mags I want for $15.
How do you regulate something that NEVER had a S/N on it? You can fab up a
pretty good magazine in any small steel stamping shop and let someone prove it
isn't 10 years old a week later.

"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
Last summer, a vendor at a gun show said he loved the ban. The value of
his
pre-ban magazines quadrupled. Now he's able to buy more guns and have an
arsenal. :-)



That guy was pumping you. Hi Cap mags are all over for virtually the price
of
production. I can get all the 23-30rd M14 mags I want for $15.
How do you regulate something that NEVER had a S/N on it? You can fab up a
pretty good magazine in any small steel stamping shop and let someone
prove it
isn't 10 years old a week later.

Maybe, but I'm not a buyer for those anyway. I carry handguns with either 6
or 7 rounds. If a single attacker's not down in 3 shots, I have a real
problem, and 10 more ain't gonna do the trick.

Doug my Friend,

Pirates don't come at you one at a time. But, it is well you are able to
hit the target "center mass".

IMHO it is better to kill their engines while well away from you. In
most cases 2 or 3 rounds in the water near their bow will turn them
quickly. Pirates are thieves, and not too brave. But there are
exceptions, especially in areas of The Gulf of Mexico or Dry Tortugas. I
think its a Macho thing. Or, Perhaps they are just crazy.

I don't know for sure. I do know a lot of private vessels (and crews)
vanish out there, and the boats turn up later in the possession of drug
smugglers.

Regards,

Capt. Frank



Doug Kanter wrote:

"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...

Last summer, a vendor at a gun show said he loved the ban. The value of

his

pre-ban magazines quadrupled. Now he's able to buy more guns and have an
arsenal. :-)



That guy was pumping you. Hi Cap mags are all over for virtually the price

of

production. I can get all the 23-30rd M14 mags I want for $15.
How do you regulate something that NEVER had a S/N on it? You can fab up a
pretty good magazine in any small steel stamping shop and let someone

prove it

isn't 10 years old a week later.


Maybe, but I'm not a buyer for those anyway. I carry handguns with either 6
or 7 rounds. If a single attacker's not down in 3 shots, I have a real
problem, and 10 more ain't gonna do the trick.

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
k.net...
Doug my Friend,

Pirates don't come at you one at a time. But, it is well you are able to
hit the target "center mass".


Well...I'm talking about creeks and small rivers in the Adirondacks. Most
pirates are gonna be on foot, canoe, or in a boat as small as mine. And,
next year, the old revolver gets traded in for a Ruger Redhawk in .458
Casull. Just in case. :-)

Serious question here Frank?

When a vessel is far away from you, how can you identify it as "pirates"? I
mean, I don't have to worry about lake pirates where I am, but my instinct
is that most approaching vessels want to borrow a beer, a lighter, a tool,
or at most a spotter.

Let's say I'm in strange water and armed.
OK, with my rifle (assuming I had a bigger clip - LOL) I could prolly kill
the engines and most of the crew of an approaching vessel, or at least
enough to make it turn around in a big hurry. But how the hell would I be
able to guage INTENT untill they got too *close* to be able to outgun a
bunch of people? I mean shooting a boat full of doods that wanna borrow a
7/16 socket is NOT an option anyway I slice it - LOL.

-W

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
k.net...

IMHO it is better to kill their engines while well away from you. In
most cases 2 or 3 rounds in the water near their bow will turn them
quickly. Pirates are thieves, and not too brave. But there are
exceptions, especially in areas of The Gulf of Mexico or Dry Tortugas. I
think its a Macho thing. Or, Perhaps they are just crazy.

I'm still waiting for this......... I really wanna know how to identify and
shoot pie-rats at any kind of "safe range" for me. I can't see how it's
possible.

-W

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:lFfmb.20419$HS4.70919@attbi_s01...
Serious question here Frank?

When a vessel is far away from you, how can you identify it as "pirates"?
I
mean, I don't have to worry about lake pirates where I am, but my instinct
is that most approaching vessels want to borrow a beer, a lighter, a tool,
or at most a spotter.

Let's say I'm in strange water and armed.
OK, with my rifle (assuming I had a bigger clip - LOL) I could prolly kill
the engines and most of the crew of an approaching vessel, or at least
enough to make it turn around in a big hurry. But how the hell would I be
able to guage INTENT untill they got too *close* to be able to outgun a
bunch of people? I mean shooting a boat full of doods that wanna borrow a
7/16 socket is NOT an option anyway I slice it - LOL.

-W

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
k.net...

IMHO it is better to kill their engines while well away from you. In
most cases 2 or 3 rounds in the water near their bow will turn them
quickly. Pirates are thieves, and not too brave. But there are
exceptions, especially in areas of The Gulf of Mexico or Dry Tortugas. I
think its a Macho thing. Or, Perhaps they are just crazy.

Sorry the reply took so long. I was busy making a living.

Capt. Frank

Clams Canino wrote:

I'm still waiting for this......... I really wanna know how to identify and
shoot pie-rats at any kind of "safe range" for me. I can't see how it's
possible.

-W

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:lFfmb.20419$HS4.70919@attbi_s01...

Serious question here Frank?

When a vessel is far away from you, how can you identify it as "pirates"?

I

mean, I don't have to worry about lake pirates where I am, but my instinct
is that most approaching vessels want to borrow a beer, a lighter, a tool,
or at most a spotter.

Let's say I'm in strange water and armed.
OK, with my rifle (assuming I had a bigger clip - LOL) I could prolly kill
the engines and most of the crew of an approaching vessel, or at least
enough to make it turn around in a big hurry. But how the hell would I be
able to guage INTENT untill they got too *close* to be able to outgun a
bunch of people? I mean shooting a boat full of doods that wanna borrow a
7/16 socket is NOT an option anyway I slice it - LOL.

-W

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
ink.net...

IMHO it is better to kill their engines while well away from you. In
most cases 2 or 3 rounds in the water near their bow will turn them
quickly. Pirates are thieves, and not too brave. But there are
exceptions, especially in areas of The Gulf of Mexico or Dry Tortugas. I
think its a Macho thing. Or, Perhaps they are just crazy.

Clams Canino wrote:

I'm still waiting for this......... I really wanna know how to identify and
shoot pie-rats at any kind of "safe range" for me. I can't see how it's
possible.

-W

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:lFfmb.20419$HS4.70919@attbi_s01...
Serious question here Frank?

When a vessel is far away from you, how can you identify it as "pirates"?
I
mean, I don't have to worry about lake pirates where I am, but my instinct
is that most approaching vessels want to borrow a beer, a lighter, a tool,
or at most a spotter.

Let's say I'm in strange water and armed.
OK, with my rifle (assuming I had a bigger clip - LOL) I could prolly kill
the engines and most of the crew of an approaching vessel, or at least
enough to make it turn around in a big hurry. But how the hell would I be
able to guage INTENT untill they got too *close* to be able to outgun a
bunch of people? I mean shooting a boat full of doods that wanna borrow a
7/16 socket is NOT an option anyway I slice it - LOL.

-W

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
k.net...

IMHO it is better to kill their engines while well away from you. In
most cases 2 or 3 rounds in the water near their bow will turn them
quickly. Pirates are thieves, and not too brave. But there are
exceptions, especially in areas of The Gulf of Mexico or Dry Tortugas. I
think its a Macho thing. Or, Perhaps they are just crazy.




It usually isn't, at least not in this hemisphere. What we have here is
gun talk bravado, nothing more.


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


It usually isn't, at least not in this hemisphere. What we have here is
gun talk bravado, nothing more.


That's silly, Harry. I carry a handgun because I fish alone in some
extremely remote places and believe me when I tell you that I've run into
some very spooky people. We're talking Deliverance material, but in the
Adirondacks. A former boss grew up there. I told him once that I'd could see
myself living in the middle of 4000 acres of forest preserve. His comment:
"You'd be a catch for the local women. You have teeth, you can read and
write, and you like working for a living". I know people who live there.
It's rare to find anyone who ventures into the woods or onto wilderness
waters without some sort of weapon. And, it's not the bears they're
concerned with. It's people and feral dogs.

Well, true enough, pirates don't fly the jolly roger anymore.

In the Caribbean and along the mosquito coast they are fairly easy to
id. They generally are coming at you quite fast, and if you give them
the once over with a good pair of binox you can see the murder in their
eye. At this point, turn bow away and pour the coals to your motor.


If they chase you, its a good bet they are pirates. Just don't take
chances with these boyos. They will kill you and your whole family for
the contents of your fridge or your new fishing reel.

We are talking about a whole different type of animal here. Third
world... They have no "morals" and no conscience. (And no internet rec.
boats discussion group either.) They kill because its a convenient means
to get supplies or money.

If they get too close, put a round across their bow. If they keep
coming, start aiming for between the eyes.

On the other hand, If its someone in distress, you will know it.
A couple of approach rules:

Always approach the "distress" vessel from the stern. Stand well off!
You can see what's happening in their deck and cabin. You can also see
if their engine is running.

Never-Never-NEVER come alongside. Hold negotiations from your bow to
their stern.

If their boat is "on fire" DON'T COME ALONGSIDE! Scream for the COAST
GUARD on your marine radio. Pull the string on the EPRIB. That will
provoke a very fast response.


Order them into life preservers for a swim to your boat. Cover them with
the weapon of choice until you have confirmed they are unarmed. Their
wet clothes will stick to them and outline a gun or knife. If they
outnumber your crew, keep them covered until the Coast Guard arrives.


Regards,

Capt. Frank

Clams Canino wrote:
Serious question here Frank?

When a vessel is far away from you, how can you identify it as "pirates"? I
mean, I don't have to worry about lake pirates where I am, but my instinct
is that most approaching vessels want to borrow a beer, a lighter, a tool,
or at most a spotter.

Let's say I'm in strange water and armed.
OK, with my rifle (assuming I had a bigger clip - LOL) I could prolly kill
the engines and most of the crew of an approaching vessel, or at least
enough to make it turn around in a big hurry. But how the hell would I be
able to guage INTENT untill they got too *close* to be able to outgun a
bunch of people? I mean shooting a boat full of doods that wanna borrow a
7/16 socket is NOT an option anyway I slice it - LOL.

-W

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
k.net...

IMHO it is better to kill their engines while well away from you. In
most cases 2 or 3 rounds in the water near their bow will turn them
quickly. Pirates are thieves, and not too brave. But there are
exceptions, especially in areas of The Gulf of Mexico or Dry Tortugas. I
think its a Macho thing. Or, Perhaps they are just crazy.