wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 22:21:56 -0400, Alex wrote:

Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/11/2015 9:14 PM, Alex wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/10/2015 7:09 PM, Alex wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 14:57:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Wow...you're channeling FlaJim, without a doubt the dumbest
asshole in
rec.boats. In the early 1990s, I happened to be helping a neighbor
in NE
Florida who was "digging" a well for water for his lawn. The digging
instrument, as it were, was basically a combination of garden
hose and
PVC pipe. He went down about 14' before he found water decent
enough
for his lawn. Our well was 12', and a fellow's down the street was
16'.
I know this because it was astonishing to me at the time that you
could
find water decent enough for a lawn at that shallow of a depth.
None of
the house in the area had basements.
I have never seen a basement in Florida. They tend to become indoor
pools.

Ground water in most places has so much iron in it, you will have
brown stains anywhere it hits. That is the main problem with using it
around the house.
The Water Management District still "owns" it.

I really thought that if I wanted a lawn I would use Paspalum. You
can
irrigate that with sea water and certainly any water we have in the
river here, even in the winter.
The up side is the salt water will kill virtually all of the weeds.
I am perfectly happy with a natural yard tho. Wildlife finds plenty
eat. In the summer the Bahia will take over and I have grass. In the
winter, it is other stuff.
If I can keep the feral cats down, we get quail, rabbits and doves
along with the other larger things that will kill a cat if they get
screwed with.


Homes on the ocean have underground garages. I wonder how they pull
that off?

Houses on stilts. Park under. Not underground.

I've seen them - they are underground. So are the parking garages at
the beach front condos and hotels.
Tell us more. Elevation, location etc.

http://thesuffolkblog.com/2015/02/24...ade-signature/

It would be interesting to see what happens the first time the water
goes over the ramp into that hole in the ground.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

I suppose we will have a law against it as soon as it fails.


They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:25:29 -0400, Alex wrote:


It would be interesting to see what happens the first time the water
goes over the ramp into that hole in the ground.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

I suppose we will have a law against it as soon as it fails.


They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:36:33 -0400, wrote:

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.

===

Well, it was a hurricane right up until it wasn't. My oldest son was
living in an apartment building in lower Manhattan about 200 yards
from the river. They had water halfway up the elevator doors in the
lobby of his building. He normally kept his car in a nearby
underground garage but got it out just in time. All of the remaining
cars were totaled. It was close to a month before they got power and
elevator service restored, not much fun on the 31st floor.

On 9/15/2015 9:17 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:36:33 -0400, wrote:

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.

===

Well, it was a hurricane right up until it wasn't. My oldest son was
living in an apartment building in lower Manhattan about 200 yards
from the river. They had water halfway up the elevator doors in the
lobby of his building. He normally kept his car in a nearby
underground garage but got it out just in time. All of the remaining
cars were totaled. It was close to a month before they got power and
elevator service restored, not much fun on the 31st floor.

If she can't fill the void, she will float it away. You can't mess with
mother nature and get away with it for long.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:17:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:36:33 -0400, wrote:

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.

===

Well, it was a hurricane right up until it wasn't. My oldest son was
living in an apartment building in lower Manhattan about 200 yards
from the river. They had water halfway up the elevator doors in the
lobby of his building. He normally kept his car in a nearby
underground garage but got it out just in time. All of the remaining
cars were totaled. It was close to a month before they got power and
elevator service restored, not much fun on the 31st floor.

I guess they score hurricanes differently up north. The folks around
here don't even put the shutters up for a Cat 1 and we had tropical
storm winds last night.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:28:47 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:17:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:36:33 -0400, wrote:

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.

===

Well, it was a hurricane right up until it wasn't. My oldest son was
living in an apartment building in lower Manhattan about 200 yards
from the river. They had water halfway up the elevator doors in the
lobby of his building. He normally kept his car in a nearby
underground garage but got it out just in time. All of the remaining
cars were totaled. It was close to a month before they got power and
elevator service restored, not much fun on the 31st floor.

I guess they score hurricanes differently up north. The folks around
here don't even put the shutters up for a Cat 1 and we had tropical
storm winds last night.

===

It wasn't the wind that did the big damage in NY/NJ, it was the 15 to
20 foot storm surge and waves that were created by the winds farther
south. They sometimes get bigger winds in a winter nor'easter.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:47:14 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:28:47 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:17:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:36:33 -0400, wrote:

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.

Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.

===

Well, it was a hurricane right up until it wasn't. My oldest son was
living in an apartment building in lower Manhattan about 200 yards
from the river. They had water halfway up the elevator doors in the
lobby of his building. He normally kept his car in a nearby
underground garage but got it out just in time. All of the remaining
cars were totaled. It was close to a month before they got power and
elevator service restored, not much fun on the 31st floor.

I guess they score hurricanes differently up north. The folks around
here don't even put the shutters up for a Cat 1 and we had tropical
storm winds last night.

===

It wasn't the wind that did the big damage in NY/NJ, it was the 15 to
20 foot storm surge and waves that were created by the winds farther
south. They sometimes get bigger winds in a winter nor'easter.

This was not an unexpected situation. Weather people have been saying
New York was vulnerable to this type of thing for years but everyone
simply ignored it because they had not really had a storm there since
the 30s.
This was far from the worst case storm. I think it was 1938 when they
had a real Cat 3 there.
They had so much non-conforming (FEMA) construction along the beaches
that I am surprised it wasn't far worse.
The surge that went over the battery was not anywhere near 20 feet
(USGS says 8-12) but it was still enough to get into the subways.

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:25:29 -0400, Alex wrote:


It would be interesting to see what happens the first time the water
goes over the ramp into that hole in the ground.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

I suppose we will have a law against it as soon as it fails.

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.
Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.


That would be from a hurricane and ground-level areas would be
destroyed, too. Here's an interesting story I read today:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/garage-t...pin-1441896527

This is in an underground garage on the ocean.

Alex wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:25:29 -0400, Alex wrote:


It would be interesting to see what happens the first time the water
goes over the ramp into that hole in the ground.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

I suppose we will have a law against it as soon as it fails.

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.
Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.


That would be from a hurricane and ground-level areas would be destroyed,
too. Here's an interesting story I read today:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/garage-t...pin-1441896527

This is in an underground garage on the ocean.

Yup, in the ocean. But La Jolla is about 200' above the sea. Cliffs.

On 9/15/2015 9:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
Alex wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:25:29 -0400, Alex wrote:


It would be interesting to see what happens the first time the water
goes over the ramp into that hole in the ground.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

I suppose we will have a law against it as soon as it fails.

They are everywhere by the water. They must have some serious pumps in
case of a tidal surge.
Maybe you don't understand what a surge is. No pump in the world is
going to stop the ocean if the entrances to that garage go under.
Doors won't do much either.
You only have to look at what happened to the subways in lower
Manhattan to see that. That was not a direct hit, nor actually even a
hurricane.


That would be from a hurricane and ground-level areas would be destroyed,
too. Here's an interesting story I read today:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/garage-t...pin-1441896527

This is in an underground garage on the ocean.

Yup, in the ocean. But La Jolla is about 200' above the sea. Cliffs.


Why is Alex having such trouble realizing that important fact?