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We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. |
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On 9/3/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Thank God you weren't mistaken for a stray dog by one of those, from out of state, open carrying yahoos. |
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On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:53:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. A pin hole leak: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/P1010565.jpg The mold issue is the big problem now. It's in the walls, behind the baseboard, and most likely on the subfloor under the ceramic tile in the powder room and kitchen. The moisture detector got readings through the tile. Most likely the tile and the subfloor will need replacing. What a mess. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:27:11 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:53:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. A pin hole leak: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/P1010565.jpg The mold issue is the big problem now. It's in the walls, behind the baseboard, and most likely on the subfloor under the ceramic tile in the powder room and kitchen. The moisture detector got readings through the tile. Most likely the tile and the subfloor will need replacing. What a mess. That may indicate a far more serious problem. You need to cut out that section of pipe and see why it is leaking. You might find out there is significant erosion of all of the pipe. That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. The last I heard it was still in court with the plaintiffs fighting about whether it was bad pipe, bad water or an electrical problem. All of that made me a plastic pipe fan although there is some copper in here that has been OK for 50 years. |
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On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing. Good luck with the project. We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on wood. |
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John H. wrote:
We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Good luck on the insurance. Lots of long term leaks are not covered. Only covers burst pipes, etc. |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. I had turned our water off when we went to the Shenandoah park. When I returned there was another puddle on the basement floor. As it turns out, the main shutoff valve has a leak in it. That leak allowed the pressure to build up and the pin hole to start squirting again. The leak is slow, and the plumber says it's not worth replacing the valve. The moral of the story is to shut off the valve but leave a low faucet on so the pressure will not build if the valve leaks. It took only 71 years for me to learn that. Amazing. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:31:54 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Good luck on the insurance. Lots of long term leaks are not covered. Only covers burst pipes, etc. The leak is covered, and I'm already getting a check for the plumber's work. The mold mitigation folks feel the mold will be covered because the moldy area is still wet and in close proximity to the leak. I *am* keeping my fingers crossed. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:24:09 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. Mold may be a little over hyped. If you live in a place like Florida, mold is just a fact of life and I seem to remember it being pretty hot and humid in DC too. I bet your weather reports list mold and pollen counts in the air. All that said, you should mitigate the mold and remove the moisture wherever possible but don't go nuts trying to get the last .01% There is a spray that kills mold on the wood (not bleach) and removal of any damaged wood should be done. There is a chance that you can pop up the tile and save it but chances are you will be buying tile. Labor is going to be at least as much as the tile unless you do it yourself. If you are willing to tackle it, check out the tile outlet stores for odd lots, Most of the time you do not need a whole pallet of tile so finding a small batch is all you need. When we did our new bathroom, we were able to get premium grade tile cheaper than the cheap crap at Home Depot. |
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On 9/3/2015 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:27:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:53:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. A pin hole leak: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/P1010565.jpg The mold issue is the big problem now. It's in the walls, behind the baseboard, and most likely on the subfloor under the ceramic tile in the powder room and kitchen. The moisture detector got readings through the tile. Most likely the tile and the subfloor will need replacing. What a mess. That may indicate a far more serious problem. You need to cut out that section of pipe and see why it is leaking. You might find out there is significant erosion of all of the pipe. That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. The last I heard it was still in court with the plaintiffs fighting about whether it was bad pipe, bad water or an electrical problem. All of that made me a plastic pipe fan although there is some copper in here that has been OK for 50 years. The previous house we had up here was built in the late 1960's and we had mucho problems with pin hole leaks developing in the copper piping. Seems like every weekend I was down in the basement cutting out and replacing a section or putting solder on a leak. I was told that in the time period the house was built a lot of the copper piping was coming from Japan and, for some reason, just about all the Japanese copper developed pinhole leaks a few years down the line after installation. We ended up replacing just about everything with new copper. That was back in the late 70's. My daughter now lives in that house (has for the past 15 years) and hasn't had any further problems with leaks. One benefit of copper over pvc in supply lines is that copper has natural antimicrobial properties. If you are always running a lot of water through PVC it probably doesn't matter much but long periods of no use .. like in Wayne's case ... it could. Never liked the idea of long, plastic tubing runs to a refrigerator's automatic ice maker either. Not enough use. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:24:09 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. Mold may be a little over hyped. If you live in a place like Florida, mold is just a fact of life and I seem to remember it being pretty hot and humid in DC too. I bet your weather reports list mold and pollen counts in the air. All that said, you should mitigate the mold and remove the moisture wherever possible but don't go nuts trying to get the last .01% There is a spray that kills mold on the wood (not bleach) and removal of any damaged wood should be done. There is a chance that you can pop up the tile and save it but chances are you will be buying tile. Labor is going to be at least as much as the tile unless you do it yourself. If you are willing to tackle it, check out the tile outlet stores for odd lots, Most of the time you do not need a whole pallet of tile finding a small batch is all you need. When we did our new bathroom, we were able to get premium grade tile cheaper than the cheap crap at Home Depot. And Harbor Freight has a 10" tile saw that will work well for home use. Is about $170 with blade. Sign up and get a 20% off coupon. Cheaper than renting. |
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On 9/3/2015 3:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing. Good luck with the project. I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen ceramic tile glued to linoleum. We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on wood. That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Ours was about $7 per SF. Labor is what cost you. |
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On 9/3/2015 3:39 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:32:38 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 1:17 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:05:50 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:24:09 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. Mold may be a little over hyped. If you live in a place like Florida, mold is just a fact of life and I seem to remember it being pretty hot and humid in DC too. I bet your weather reports list mold and pollen counts in the air. All that said, you should mitigate the mold and remove the moisture wherever possible but don't go nuts trying to get the last .01% There is a spray that kills mold on the wood (not bleach) and removal of any damaged wood should be done. There is a chance that you can pop up the tile and save it but chances are you will be buying tile. Labor is going to be at least as much as the tile unless you do it yourself. If you are willing to tackle it, check out the tile outlet stores for odd lots, Most of the time you do not need a whole pallet of tile so finding a small batch is all you need. When we did our new bathroom, we were able to get premium grade tile cheaper than the cheap crap at Home Depot. The new tile, including installation, will be covered under the insurance. They will not make an attempt to save the old tile - takes too much time and careful work. They'll just bust it up and get it out. Then the floor can dry and the mold can be tackled. The mold in the walls will go out with the sheetrock. There may be mold on the back of some of the kitchen cabinets, but hopefully it can be cleaned off once the cabinets are removed. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Yippee! The *tile* will be covered, but not necessarily the material *under* the tile. Mold mitigation is separate from water mitigation and requires it's own approval from the insurance. I'm hoping there won't be a problem. Will find out tomorrow or maybe later this evening. The estimate should hit the USAA later this afternoon. -- Ban idiots, not guns! It's all how you word it. Claim water damage only. De-lamination, rot, swelling, etc. |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing. Good luck with the project. I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen ceramic tile glued to linoleum. We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on wood. That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 13:41:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/3/2015 11:23 AM, wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:27:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:53:36 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. A pin hole leak: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/P1010565.jpg The mold issue is the big problem now. It's in the walls, behind the baseboard, and most likely on the subfloor under the ceramic tile in the powder room and kitchen. The moisture detector got readings through the tile. Most likely the tile and the subfloor will need replacing. What a mess. That may indicate a far more serious problem. You need to cut out that section of pipe and see why it is leaking. You might find out there is significant erosion of all of the pipe. That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. The last I heard it was still in court with the plaintiffs fighting about whether it was bad pipe, bad water or an electrical problem. All of that made me a plastic pipe fan although there is some copper in here that has been OK for 50 years. The previous house we had up here was built in the late 1960's and we had mucho problems with pin hole leaks developing in the copper piping. Seems like every weekend I was down in the basement cutting out and replacing a section or putting solder on a leak. I was told that in the time period the house was built a lot of the copper piping was coming from Japan and, for some reason, just about all the Japanese copper developed pinhole leaks a few years down the line after installation. We ended up replacing just about everything with new copper. That was back in the late 70's. My daughter now lives in that house (has for the past 15 years) and hasn't had any further problems with leaks. One benefit of copper over pvc in supply lines is that copper has natural antimicrobial properties. If you are always running a lot of water through PVC it probably doesn't matter much but long periods of no use .. like in Wayne's case ... it could. Never liked the idea of long, plastic tubing runs to a refrigerator's automatic ice maker either. Not enough use. One of the things the plumber said was that periods of non-use were an issue. He said he very seldom has seen leaks in cold water pipes. Almost always hot water pipes which aren't used as much. Maybe I should start watering the lawn with warm water and take four or five long showers every day. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:24:09 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. Mold may be a little over hyped. If you live in a place like Florida, mold is just a fact of life and I seem to remember it being pretty hot and humid in DC too. I bet your weather reports list mold and pollen counts in the air. All that said, you should mitigate the mold and remove the moisture wherever possible but don't go nuts trying to get the last .01% There is a spray that kills mold on the wood (not bleach) and removal of any damaged wood should be done. There is a chance that you can pop up the tile and save it but chances are you will be buying tile. Labor is going to be at least as much as the tile unless you do it yourself. If you are willing to tackle it, check out the tile outlet stores for odd lots, Most of the time you do not need a whole pallet of tile finding a small batch is all you need. When we did our new bathroom, we were able to get premium grade tile cheaper than the cheap crap at Home Depot. And Harbor Freight has a 10" tile saw that will work well for home use. Is about $170 with blade. Sign up and get a 20% off coupon. Cheaper than renting. Luckily, I won't have to worry about replacing the tile. That's the restoration firm's job. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. The other theories centered around the grade of the pipe and possible electrolysis caused by improper grounding practices. This has been going on around her for the 35 years I have been here. They had the same deal in St Pete. One of the reasons I sold my condo was the number of people who had their floors torn up to replace leaking pipe. Mine wasn't done yet and I didn't want the issue to bite me. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:57:28 -0400, John H.
wrote: There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. Typically you will actually have 2 layers of plywood or plywood and backer if you are laying tile and these days they may also use a membrane that will isolate the tile from the wood. They even use a membrane on tile over concrete if the concrete is green. That is mostly because they are not sure if the concrete is going to crack. (mostly a function of the "build it fast" mentality) I had terrazzo on my floor that was pristine 40 years later so we trusted the floor. You can also use "flex" mortar but it is about $15 a bag more than regular thin set. It is all I use because mortar is the cheapest thing you buy. The only down side is it sticks too good. You are not getting that tile back up if you chip one.. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:17:18 -0400, John H.
wrote: The new tile, including installation, will be covered under the insurance. They will not make an attempt to save the old tile - takes too much time and careful work. They'll just bust it up and get it out. Then the floor can dry and the mold can be tackled. The mold in the walls will go out with the sheetrock. There may be mold on the back of some of the kitchen cabinets, but hopefully it can be cleaned off once the cabinets are removed. -- That is what the mold spray is for. It will knock down the mold but it usually has a dye in it so you can't use it on exposed materials When my wife had the "mold guy" in they sprayed trusses, studs and affected block. You should get a certificate when he is done that says everything is OK. That might be important when the house is sold. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
And Harbor Freight has a 10" tile saw that will work well for home use. Is about $170 with blade. Sign up and get a 20% off coupon. Cheaper than renting. Renting a real one is better than using a junker for a week. We knew a guy in the business who let me use his spare. I only needed it for a few days,. On small projects I just use my grinder with a diamond blade. Dirty but effective. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. The other theories centered around the grade of the pipe and possible electrolysis caused by improper grounding practices. This has been going on around her for the 35 years I have been here. They had the same deal in St Pete. One of the reasons I sold my condo was the number of people who had their floors torn up to replace leaking pipe. Mine wasn't done yet and I didn't want the issue to bite me. Probably not the use, but the heat. |
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing. Good luck with the project. I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen ceramic tile glued to linoleum. We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on wood. That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Probably not the tile, but the prep and installation. Do not thin set to the concrete floor, but to a floating underlayment. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:22:24 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. The other theories centered around the grade of the pipe and possible electrolysis caused by improper grounding practices. This has been going on around her for the 35 years I have been here. They had the same deal in St Pete. One of the reasons I sold my condo was the number of people who had their floors torn up to replace leaking pipe. Mine wasn't done yet and I didn't want the issue to bite me. Probably not the use, but the heat. More likely the water. Heat should not be much of an issue in air conditioned space. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:35:50 -0400, John H.
wrote: That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles. You might want to buy the tile yourself if you have tile outlets around that sell odd lots. That is where the bargains are. Porcelain tile is harder as a general rule. It puts up with more abuse. This is Lea and it lived through a serious remodel. It is over linoleum. http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...the%20tile.jpg http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...the%20slab.jpg http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi..._the_block.jpg |
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On 9/3/15 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:22:24 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. The other theories centered around the grade of the pipe and possible electrolysis caused by improper grounding practices. This has been going on around her for the 35 years I have been here. They had the same deal in St Pete. One of the reasons I sold my condo was the number of people who had their floors torn up to replace leaking pipe. Mine wasn't done yet and I didn't want the issue to bite me. Probably not the use, but the heat. More likely the water. Heat should not be much of an issue in air conditioned space. Couple of years ago, a water line going to an outside faucet separated a bit where the line met the faucet inside the wall and over time, a "spot" of mold developed on the inside drywall and spread. We pulled off all the drywall on that wall and five feet down an adjacent wall, pulled the insulation, et cetera, and I spend two weeks cleaning off the mold on the 2x6's and spraying them with a commercial anti-mold. Then we let it dry for another two weeks. No new mold appeared and we had it drywalled closed. No new mold has appeared. Mold is a bitch. |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:30:26 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/3/2015 3:35 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing. Good luck with the project. I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen ceramic tile glued to linoleum. We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on wood. That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Ours was about $7 per SF. Labor is what cost you. In my case the labor will be free...except for the deductible. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:34:37 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/3/2015 3:39 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:32:38 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 1:17 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:05:50 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:24:09 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. Mold may be a little over hyped. If you live in a place like Florida, mold is just a fact of life and I seem to remember it being pretty hot and humid in DC too. I bet your weather reports list mold and pollen counts in the air. All that said, you should mitigate the mold and remove the moisture wherever possible but don't go nuts trying to get the last .01% There is a spray that kills mold on the wood (not bleach) and removal of any damaged wood should be done. There is a chance that you can pop up the tile and save it but chances are you will be buying tile. Labor is going to be at least as much as the tile unless you do it yourself. If you are willing to tackle it, check out the tile outlet stores for odd lots, Most of the time you do not need a whole pallet of tile so finding a small batch is all you need. When we did our new bathroom, we were able to get premium grade tile cheaper than the cheap crap at Home Depot. The new tile, including installation, will be covered under the insurance. They will not make an attempt to save the old tile - takes too much time and careful work. They'll just bust it up and get it out. Then the floor can dry and the mold can be tackled. The mold in the walls will go out with the sheetrock. There may be mold on the back of some of the kitchen cabinets, but hopefully it can be cleaned off once the cabinets are removed. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Yippee! The *tile* will be covered, but not necessarily the material *under* the tile. Mold mitigation is separate from water mitigation and requires it's own approval from the insurance. I'm hoping there won't be a problem. Will find out tomorrow or maybe later this evening. The estimate should hit the USAA later this afternoon. -- Ban idiots, not guns! It's all how you word it. Claim water damage only. De-lamination, rot, swelling, etc. The restoration company works directly with USAA. I won't see anything until the decision is made. Then I suppose I could try to fight it, if it's not in my favor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 9/3/2015 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:22:24 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. The other theories centered around the grade of the pipe and possible electrolysis caused by improper grounding practices. This has been going on around her for the 35 years I have been here. They had the same deal in St Pete. One of the reasons I sold my condo was the number of people who had their floors torn up to replace leaking pipe. Mine wasn't done yet and I didn't want the issue to bite me. Probably not the use, but the heat. More likely the water. Heat should not be much of an issue in air conditioned space. I took the "heat" reference to mean the hot water pipes being more prone to developing leaks. A/C would have very little affect on pipes buried in walls, plus the delta T difference is minimal. |
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