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Wayne, prop guy?
Wayne, Do you have a prop guy around here? I think mine needs a tune
up. Burress was suggested but I also heard they will be sending it to Sarasota. |
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On 8/29/15 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:45:23 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:28:40 -0400, wrote: Wayne, Do you have a prop guy around here? I think mine needs a tune up. Burress was suggested but I also heard they will be sending it to Sarasota. === There are only two choices in CC that I'm aware of, Coastal Prop and Burris. I've used both in the past for I/O props and they are OK. We got the props balanced on the big boat last spring when it was hauled out for bottom painting. Owl Creek Boat Works did the job but I'm not sure if they sent them out or not. Great job in any case. The boat had never been smoother running when we got it back. They might tell you who they use if you give them a call. Butch Fulton is the owner/manager and his shop foreman is Cliff. I guess I wall call around and see what I can find out. If they all are sending them out I may see if they will broker the deal and let me ship it directly. I really do not want to drive to the Cape or East Ft Myers. It will be faster too. I have a plastic "emergency" prop coming so I will not be boatless. Are "regular" props for middle range outboards so expensive that you don't have one? Surely, there must be good used stainless props around for $150 or less. My boating buddies in NE Florida who fish the ICW and its creeks usually have a spare prop aboard because of the shell banks they hit frequently. |
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:04:23 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 8/29/15 2:52 PM, wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:45:23 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:28:40 -0400, wrote: Wayne, Do you have a prop guy around here? I think mine needs a tune up. Burress was suggested but I also heard they will be sending it to Sarasota. === There are only two choices in CC that I'm aware of, Coastal Prop and Burris. I've used both in the past for I/O props and they are OK. We got the props balanced on the big boat last spring when it was hauled out for bottom painting. Owl Creek Boat Works did the job but I'm not sure if they sent them out or not. Great job in any case. The boat had never been smoother running when we got it back. They might tell you who they use if you give them a call. Butch Fulton is the owner/manager and his shop foreman is Cliff. I guess I wall call around and see what I can find out. If they all are sending them out I may see if they will broker the deal and let me ship it directly. I really do not want to drive to the Cape or East Ft Myers. It will be faster too. I have a plastic "emergency" prop coming so I will not be boatless. Are "regular" props for middle range outboards so expensive that you don't have one? Surely, there must be good used stainless props around for $150 or less. My boating buddies in NE Florida who fish the ICW and its creeks usually have a spare prop aboard because of the shell banks they hit frequently. I had a spare for years and never used it. I sold it with my Merc 60. I was just looking for something to use for a week or two until I get my prop tuned up. Too much manatee tartare will take a toll ;-) Oysters are not really that tough on a stainless prop and the sand just polishes it. I did tangle with a stump a while ago that may have bent it a little. There is a slight vibration that I want to get rid of. |
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:45:23 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:28:40 -0400, wrote: Wayne, Do you have a prop guy around here? I think mine needs a tune up. Burress was suggested but I also heard they will be sending it to Sarasota. === There are only two choices in CC that I'm aware of, Coastal Prop and Burris. I've used both in the past for I/O props and they are OK. We got the props balanced on the big boat last spring when it was hauled out for bottom painting. Owl Creek Boat Works did the job but I'm not sure if they sent them out or not. Great job in any case. The boat had never been smoother running when we got it back. They might tell you who they use if you give them a call. Butch Fulton is the owner/manager and his shop foreman is Cliff. I took this up to the dealer and a few of us looked at it on a jig they have. Nobody could see anything wrong. I think I am just going to put it back on.. |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:15:13 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:45:23 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:28:40 -0400, wrote: Wayne, Do you have a prop guy around here? I think mine needs a tune up. Burress was suggested but I also heard they will be sending it to Sarasota. === There are only two choices in CC that I'm aware of, Coastal Prop and Burris. I've used both in the past for I/O props and they are OK. We got the props balanced on the big boat last spring when it was hauled out for bottom painting. Owl Creek Boat Works did the job but I'm not sure if they sent them out or not. Great job in any case. The boat had never been smoother running when we got it back. They might tell you who they use if you give them a call. Butch Fulton is the owner/manager and his shop foreman is Cliff. I took this up to the dealer and a few of us looked at it on a jig they have. Nobody could see anything wrong. I think I am just going to put it back on.. === Usually when one of my props needs work you can clearly see the problem. :-) |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:46:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:15:13 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:45:23 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:28:40 -0400, wrote: Wayne, Do you have a prop guy around here? I think mine needs a tune up. Burress was suggested but I also heard they will be sending it to Sarasota. === There are only two choices in CC that I'm aware of, Coastal Prop and Burris. I've used both in the past for I/O props and they are OK. We got the props balanced on the big boat last spring when it was hauled out for bottom painting. Owl Creek Boat Works did the job but I'm not sure if they sent them out or not. Great job in any case. The boat had never been smoother running when we got it back. They might tell you who they use if you give them a call. Butch Fulton is the owner/manager and his shop foreman is Cliff. I took this up to the dealer and a few of us looked at it on a jig they have. Nobody could see anything wrong. I think I am just going to put it back on.. === Usually when one of my props needs work you can clearly see the problem. :-) Yeah I know and when I was looking at it on the boat, I thought I saw a bent blade but once you got a good angle on it, they look the same. After I got home I set it on a granite counter and started measuring with a dial indicator, looking at the leading edges and trailing edges of the blades at various points and it seems to be OK. Now I am back looking for the mystery vibration. I was out again today and it may still be there but less with the lighter prop ... or it is the same and I was just wishing I was going to fix something. I also figured out it sounds worse because there is something in there with a resonant buzz. I leaned on the top cover with no joy. The problem is I can't run the boat and play with the motor looking for the noise. My wife just wants to ride ;-) I am going to take the cover off and poke around tomorrow. She can either drive or sit there and watch the crash. |
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"I am going to take the cover off and poke around tomorrow. She can
either drive or sit there and watch the crash." My wife was reluctant to take the helm of our boat but I just kept nagging her. After all, it was for my benefit if I fell overboard or whatever. She finally took the wheel out on the largest local lake and after going through the start..forward/reverse stop exercise a couple of times, she was in no hurry to hand back the helm. I'll insist that she drive the boat at least yearly. |
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 04:51:31 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: "I am going to take the cover off and poke around tomorrow. She can either drive or sit there and watch the crash." My wife was reluctant to take the helm of our boat but I just kept nagging her. After all, it was for my benefit if I fell overboard or whatever. She finally took the wheel out on the largest local lake and after going through the start..forward/reverse stop exercise a couple of times, she was in no hurry to hand back the helm. I'll insist that she drive the boat at least yearly. === If she acts like she's enjoying herself, I'd let her drive as much as she wants. There is no better ally than an enthusiastic wife when there are upgrades or repairs to be done. Unrelated topic, have you ever been on the Bra d'Or Lakes? I've always wanted to do that. It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. |
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Good for her, Don!
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On Friday, 4 September 2015 09:36:38 UTC-3, Wayne. B wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 04:51:31 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: "I am going to take the cover off and poke around tomorrow. She can either drive or sit there and watch the crash." My wife was reluctant to take the helm of our boat but I just kept nagging her. After all, it was for my benefit if I fell overboard or whatever. She finally took the wheel out on the largest local lake and after going through the start..forward/reverse stop exercise a couple of times, she was in no hurry to hand back the helm. I'll insist that she drive the boat at least yearly. === If she acts like she's enjoying herself, I'd let her drive as much as she wants. There is no better ally than an enthusiastic wife when there are upgrades or repairs to be done. Unrelated topic, have you ever been on the Bra d'Or Lakes? I've always wanted to do that. It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Yes, I've been on the St Peter's Inlet (lake side of the canal) a number of times and over in the Marble Mountain/Crammond Islands area. Right now would be a beautiful time to explore...two weeks of sunshine..an unusual event here. I wonder if the Cruising Club of America would have good advice for a boat your size. I think taking the Bras d'Or route rather than the offshore would be much more peaceful and beautiful. You'll see enough open water as it is sailing to Newfoundland. Don't forget to drop into St Pierre (south coast of Nfld)... still a part of France. |
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 04:51:31 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: "I am going to take the cover off and poke around tomorrow. She can either drive or sit there and watch the crash." My wife was reluctant to take the helm of our boat but I just kept nagging her. After all, it was for my benefit if I fell overboard or whatever. She finally took the wheel out on the largest local lake and after going through the start..forward/reverse stop exercise a couple of times, she was in no hurry to hand back the helm. I'll insist that she drive the boat at least yearly. She can drive the boat and is even pretty good at docking, she just doesn't want to. Our boat rides are more to get her to unwind from work than anything else and she is not interested in fixing anything. |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) |
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True North wrote:
"I am going to take the cover off and poke around tomorrow. She can either drive or sit there and watch the crash." My wife was reluctant to take the helm of our boat but I just kept nagging her. After all, it was for my benefit if I fell overboard or whatever. She finally took the wheel out on the largest local lake and after going through the start..forward/reverse stop exercise a couple of times, she was in no hurry to hand back the helm. I'll insist that she drive the boat at least yearly. Lousy quoting job, but... You're a bad ass! That woman better listen to you! |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I spent November and December of 65 about 200-400 miles east of Labrador on a 311' boat. I am cured. ;-) |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:47:28 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I spent November and December of 65 about 200-400 miles east of Labrador on a 311' boat. I am cured. ;-) === I'll bet. It turns out that there is a fairly limited weather window for getting in and out of Greenland in a small boat because of ice conditions. The ideal time would be to leave Labrador in early July, arrive Greenland 3 or 4 days later, refuel, and head for Iceland on the next good weather window. You'd want to be in Scotland no later than early August. The longest hop is Greenland to Iceland, about 4 days. It's fun to plan these things even if they never materialize. http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Greenland I spent years dreaming about and planning a cruise to the Caribbean islands and finally made it happen twice. |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:08:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:47:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I spent November and December of 65 about 200-400 miles east of Labrador on a 311' boat. I am cured. ;-) === I'll bet. It turns out that there is a fairly limited weather window for getting in and out of Greenland in a small boat because of ice conditions. The ideal time would be to leave Labrador in early July, arrive Greenland 3 or 4 days later, refuel, and head for Iceland on the next good weather window. You'd want to be in Scotland no later than early August. The longest hop is Greenland to Iceland, about 4 days. It's fun to plan these things even if they never materialize. http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Greenland I spent years dreaming about and planning a cruise to the Caribbean islands and finally made it happen twice. You would pretty much have to just spit in the harbor in the UK and start back so as not to miss the window. I am not sure what there is in south Greenland. We were in Thule but that was way far north from anywhere you (or anyone in their right mind) would ever want to be. ;-) |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:29:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:08:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:47:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I spent November and December of 65 about 200-400 miles east of Labrador on a 311' boat. I am cured. ;-) === I'll bet. It turns out that there is a fairly limited weather window for getting in and out of Greenland in a small boat because of ice conditions. The ideal time would be to leave Labrador in early July, arrive Greenland 3 or 4 days later, refuel, and head for Iceland on the next good weather window. You'd want to be in Scotland no later than early August. The longest hop is Greenland to Iceland, about 4 days. It's fun to plan these things even if they never materialize. http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Greenland I spent years dreaming about and planning a cruise to the Caribbean islands and finally made it happen twice. You would pretty much have to just spit in the harbor in the UK and start back so as not to miss the window. I am not sure what there is in south Greenland. We were in Thule but that was way far north from anywhere you (or anyone in their right mind) would ever want to be. ;-) === The idea would be to keep the boat in Europe for a year or two and then ship it back. If it was a sailboat I'd bring it back on the southern route and end up in the Carib. South Greenland is lightly populated but there are a number of good harbors and fishing villages. Fuel and supplies are consistently available. |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. It can also get pretty rough. I am not sure about the summer but we really didn't have a big enough boat several times in a 6 week cruise. We were getting tossed around a lot. Usually they just have someone from the deck crew at the helm but when it got really nasty, they put a rated quartermaster at the wheel and the captain was on the bridge. |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. I can understand that. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) |
Wayne, prop guy?
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Might be cheaper to buy or lease a boat for a year. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) I thought Wayne had a generator. We used transformers for all of our appliances when we were stationed there. The 50 hz messed up clocks a bit, but the Germans have lots of cuckoo clocks for sale. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Wayne, prop guy?
wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) Might be smaller to do as we did at one company to generate the 220-50. Had a motor driving an alternator. Was not real big and we were driving 300Mb CDC disk drives. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:07:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Might be cheaper to buy or lease a boat for a year. === You may be right about that but then you miss the "fun" of going via Greenland. :-) |
Wayne, prop guy?
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:07:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Might be cheaper to buy or lease a boat for a year. === You may be right about that but then you miss the "fun" of going via Greenland. :-) Maybe someone needs a delivery. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. An isolation transformer should not trip the RCD, in fact it will prevent the RDC from tripping on a fault. If your charger has a 220v tap, it should work tho. (assuming they want 120 now) |
Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. Could you not get by with a small generator? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Wayne, prop guy?
On 9/6/2015 1:49 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. An isolation transformer should not trip the RCD, in fact it will prevent the RDC from tripping on a fault. If your charger has a 220v tap, it should work tho. (assuming they want 120 now) What is RDC? |
Wayne, prop guy?
On 9/6/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 07:36:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. Could you not get by with a small generator? === Sure but most marinas will not allow you to run a generator for any length of time if shore power is available. We have two, a 20KW and a 15KW, both diesels of course. The problem is adapting Euro style shore power so that you don't need to run the generators. European power is typically 220 volt, 50 Hz, with no neutral connection. Most US boats are set up just like your house with two 120 volt legs that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other so that they add up to 220 volts for larger appliances. Most of our stuff will run on 50 HZ power but you need an center tapped isolation transformer to create the two 120 volt legs from a single 220. 300A? That's probably bigger than your house has. |
Wayne, prop guy?
On 9/6/2015 11:05 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 10:53:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 07:36:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. Could you not get by with a small generator? === Sure but most marinas will not allow you to run a generator for any length of time if shore power is available. We have two, a 20KW and a 15KW, both diesels of course. The problem is adapting Euro style shore power so that you don't need to run the generators. European power is typically 220 volt, 50 Hz, with no neutral connection. Most US boats are set up just like your house with two 120 volt legs that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other so that they add up to 220 volts for larger appliances. Most of our stuff will run on 50 HZ power but you need an center tapped isolation transformer to create the two 120 volt legs from a single 220. Maybe Luddite would loan you his small Honda. Quiet and will power a refrigerator and dozens of LED's. -- Ban idiots, not guns! LEDs are great. I saved a bundle by converting my house lighting to LED. My camper is all DC LED too. |
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