In article ZtSdnXkNd6-ynFPInZ2dnUU7-
, says...

Given the circumstances, the info contained on her
personal server while
she served as SOS is important. Equally important however is her
unwillingness to cooperate with requests to deliver them to ensure there
were no potential breaches that could affect national security or policy.

I'll give you an example that may not be so obvious. There have been
some references to imagery contained in some of the emails. The
capabilities of some government US satellite imagery is classified. If
her server contained such imagery, it must be considered to be
compromised and thus the satellite capabilities.

Again, the main issue isn't her poor judgement by not using a government
secure server. I think that early on she acknowledged that in hindsight
she probably should have used a government server for official
government correspondence as SOS. It's her foot dragging, excuses,
statements (some already proven to be false) that is the issue. The
public respects and is owed honesty and she isn't being honest.

With regard to your previous post, I apparently missed a lot of Mika's
rant this morning. I was just reading about it though. Much of her
criticism was related to Hillary's "arranged" public town hall meetings
where attendees have been carefully selected ahead of time and are
supporters of her nomination.

Blah, blah. Within 2 hours I saw and heard an MSNBC
and a CNN reporter tell how they saw a secret
document revealing something they were reporting on.
They were related to different matters, both military
"national security."
I have no doubt they were classified "secret," and
that the reporters didn't have required clearance.
They didn't bat an eye.
Just shows "secret" ain't secret.
As far as "satellite capabilities" that's likewise
BS. And rumors to boot.
Mika is plain crazy. She's become a target for
jokes.

On 8/14/2015 11:53 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ZtSdnXkNd6-ynFPInZ2dnUU7-
, says...

Given the circumstances, the info contained on her
personal server while
she served as SOS is important. Equally important however is her
unwillingness to cooperate with requests to deliver them to ensure there
were no potential breaches that could affect national security or policy.

I'll give you an example that may not be so obvious. There have been
some references to imagery contained in some of the emails. The
capabilities of some government US satellite imagery is classified. If
her server contained such imagery, it must be considered to be
compromised and thus the satellite capabilities.

Again, the main issue isn't her poor judgement by not using a government
secure server. I think that early on she acknowledged that in hindsight
she probably should have used a government server for official
government correspondence as SOS. It's her foot dragging, excuses,
statements (some already proven to be false) that is the issue. The
public respects and is owed honesty and she isn't being honest.

With regard to your previous post, I apparently missed a lot of Mika's
rant this morning. I was just reading about it though. Much of her
criticism was related to Hillary's "arranged" public town hall meetings
where attendees have been carefully selected ahead of time and are
supporters of her nomination.

Blah, blah. Within 2 hours I saw and heard an MSNBC
and a CNN reporter tell how they saw a secret
document revealing something they were reporting on.
They were related to different matters, both military
"national security."
I have no doubt they were classified "secret," and
that the reporters didn't have required clearance.
They didn't bat an eye.
Just shows "secret" ain't secret.
As far as "satellite capabilities" that's likewise
BS. And rumors to boot.
Mika is plain crazy. She's become a target for
jokes.


Just because classified information becomes known to the media and made
public doesn't change the laws and requirements to protect such
information from becoming public. *That* is the issue, not what you
think you heard on TV that may have been "secret".

The part of "Morning Joe" that I caught this morning was when both Mika
and Scarborough were hammering Eugene Robinson, the liberal (and
respected) columnist for the Washington Post. He's a regular on the
program and is usually precise and well reasoned in his arguments.
Not today though. It was the first time I have seen him tongue-tied
trying to come up with ways to defend Clinton against Mika and
Scarborough's accusations.

In article IJCdncIiL49BiFPInZ2dnUU7-
, says...


Just because classified information becomes known to the media and made
public doesn't change the laws and requirements to protect such
information from becoming public. *That* is the issue, not what you
think you heard on TV that may have been "secret".


It's just another red herring. There's been many.
Look, if HRC has done something criminal, she'll be
charged. That's how it works.
I've been waiting 20 ****ing years.

The part of "Morning Joe" that I caught this morning was when both Mika
and Scarborough were hammering Eugene Robinson, the liberal (and
respected) columnist for the Washington Post. He's a regular on the
program and is usually precise and well reasoned in his arguments.
Not today though. It was the first time I have seen him tongue-tied
trying to come up with ways to defend Clinton against Mika and
Scarborough's accusations.

Lol. Funny how we see things differently. How is
Gene going to argue with the 2 hosts who have already
made up their minds. He has a pretty constant gig on
that show.
What I saw was him looking at them and thinking,
"Well, these people are crazy. It doesn't matter what
I say. I'll hold my tongue and keep my gig."
Jesus, they won't stop harping on the same thing,
over and over and over again.
Pretty much like you're doing.
How do you tell people they are crazy?
Luddite..Luddite?

On 8/14/2015 12:57 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article IJCdncIiL49BiFPInZ2dnUU7-
, says...


Just because classified information becomes known to the media and made
public doesn't change the laws and requirements to protect such
information from becoming public. *That* is the issue, not what you
think you heard on TV that may have been "secret".


It's just another red herring. There's been many.
Look, if HRC has done something criminal, she'll be
charged. That's how it works.
I've been waiting 20 ****ing years.

The part of "Morning Joe" that I caught this morning was when both Mika
and Scarborough were hammering Eugene Robinson, the liberal (and
respected) columnist for the Washington Post. He's a regular on the
program and is usually precise and well reasoned in his arguments.
Not today though. It was the first time I have seen him tongue-tied
trying to come up with ways to defend Clinton against Mika and
Scarborough's accusations.

Lol. Funny how we see things differently. How is
Gene going to argue with the 2 hosts who have already
made up their minds. He has a pretty constant gig on
that show.
What I saw was him looking at them and thinking,
"Well, these people are crazy. It doesn't matter what
I say. I'll hold my tongue and keep my gig."
Jesus, they won't stop harping on the same thing,
over and over and over again.
Pretty much like you're doing.
How do you tell people they are crazy?
Luddite..Luddite?



I don't think I am crazy ... at least not yet.
If I am, what difference does it make?

My purpose in harping about Hillary is two fold:

1. I got tired of a certain person here constantly posting to the
newsgroup with his anti-everything and everyone except Hillary
(who he seems to think is the second coming).
Over the past couple of years he has lost any sense of reasonable
discussion or debate and labels anyone who doesn't see things his
way as being crazies, republi-trash or whatever other derogatory
comment he can dream up. He is not rational in discussion anymore.
That combined with unsolicited posts about religious nut cases
that don't reflect most people's beliefs, his negative accusations
about people's military service ... recently adding
"murderous" to one of them (which may border on slander or libel)
and his constant and repetitious anti-American comments got to be a
waste of time reading everyday. So, he's keeping company with
slammer, the only other person in my Bozo Bin.

Combined, those make up reason number one.

(BTW, I also realize it's a game for him. I just got tired of
reading all his crap).

2. I think Hillary Clinton is a deceitful, lying and unqualified person
to be the Chief Executive of this country. If I can convince just
one person to not vote for her, the effort would be worthwhile. If
you notice I don't call her supporters (including Harry) "loonies",
"trash" or other derogatory names. I try to make a case for my
arguments and opinions.

Your mileage may vary of course. It's your right.

In article 9MqdnfwcXbSztVPInZ2dnUU7-b-
, says...


2. I think Hillary Clinton is a deceitful, lying and unqualified person
to be the Chief Executive of this country. If I can convince just
one person to not vote for her, the effort would be worthwhile. If
you notice I don't call her supporters (including Harry) "loonies",
"trash" or other derogatory names. I try to make a case for my
arguments and opinions.

Your mileage may vary of course. It's your right.

You won't convince anybody. Maybe kids. Everybody
else has heard that same bull**** for 20 years.
They are immune. Sorry.
It always gets down to proposed policies.
The GOP has shot their feet off.
HRC is a woman.
Most likely that's the the end of the story.

On 8/14/15 2:06 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article 9MqdnfwcXbSztVPInZ2dnUU7-b-
, says...


2. I think Hillary Clinton is a deceitful, lying and unqualified person
to be the Chief Executive of this country. If I can convince just
one person to not vote for her, the effort would be worthwhile. If
you notice I don't call her supporters (including Harry) "loonies",
"trash" or other derogatory names. I try to make a case for my
arguments and opinions.

Your mileage may vary of course. It's your right.

You won't convince anybody. Maybe kids. Everybody
else has heard that same bull**** for 20 years.
They are immune. Sorry.
It always gets down to proposed policies.
The GOP has shot their feet off.
HRC is a woman.
Most likely that's the the end of the story.


What, you don't think GOP plans to make it tougher to get abortions, and
the attacks on womens' health care, immigrants, voting rights, the
affordable care act, social security, environmental protections, jobsite
protections, and its fondness for war is going to product a Republican
presidential victory in 2016?

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:06:21 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

You won't convince anybody. Maybe kids. Everybody
else has heard that same bull**** for 20 years.
They are immune. Sorry.

It took 22 years to get Nixon and in the end, it was not what he may
or may not have done, it was trying to cover it up.
Hillary is smarter tho. She knows that if Nixon had burned those
tapes, he would have left office in 1977, probably seen as a
persecuted hero. There will be no equivalent to "Hillary tapes".

We keep talking like Hillary was just your average computer user. She
could make a phone call and get the best software any ambassador might
be running in a foreign consulate. I don't know why anyone thought
there would be anything on that server.

On 8/15/2015 1:11 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:06:21 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

You won't convince anybody. Maybe kids. Everybody
else has heard that same bull**** for 20 years.
They are immune. Sorry.

It took 22 years to get Nixon and in the end, it was not what he may
or may not have done, it was trying to cover it up.
Hillary is smarter tho. She knows that if Nixon had burned those
tapes, he would have left office in 1977, probably seen as a
persecuted hero. There will be no equivalent to "Hillary tapes".

We keep talking like Hillary was just your average computer user. She
could make a phone call and get the best software any ambassador might
be running in a foreign consulate. I don't know why anyone thought
there would be anything on that server.


If you or I were suspected of having government classified information
on our computers there would be no "requests" made. The FBI would
show up unannounced with a court order and just take it.

On 8/14/15 1:40 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2015 12:57 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article IJCdncIiL49BiFPInZ2dnUU7-
, says...


Just because classified information becomes known to the media and made
public doesn't change the laws and requirements to protect such
information from becoming public. *That* is the issue, not what you
think you heard on TV that may have been "secret".


It's just another red herring. There's been many.
Look, if HRC has done something criminal, she'll be
charged. That's how it works.
I've been waiting 20 ****ing years.

The part of "Morning Joe" that I caught this morning was when both Mika
and Scarborough were hammering Eugene Robinson, the liberal (and
respected) columnist for the Washington Post. He's a regular on the
program and is usually precise and well reasoned in his arguments.
Not today though. It was the first time I have seen him tongue-tied
trying to come up with ways to defend Clinton against Mika and
Scarborough's accusations.

Lol. Funny how we see things differently. How is
Gene going to argue with the 2 hosts who have already
made up their minds. He has a pretty constant gig on
that show.
What I saw was him looking at them and thinking,
"Well, these people are crazy. It doesn't matter what
I say. I'll hold my tongue and keep my gig."
Jesus, they won't stop harping on the same thing,
over and over and over again.
Pretty much like you're doing.
How do you tell people they are crazy?
Luddite..Luddite?



I don't think I am crazy ... at least not yet.
If I am, what difference does it make?

My purpose in harping about Hillary is two fold:

1. I got tired of a certain person here constantly posting to the
newsgroup with his anti-everything and everyone except Hillary
(who he seems to think is the second coming).
Over the past couple of years he has lost any sense of reasonable
discussion or debate and labels anyone who doesn't see things his
way as being crazies, republi-trash or whatever other derogatory
comment he can dream up. He is not rational in discussion anymore.
That combined with unsolicited posts about religious nut cases
that don't reflect most people's beliefs, his negative accusations
about people's military service ... recently adding
"murderous" to one of them (which may border on slander or libel)
and his constant and repetitious anti-American comments got to be a
waste of time reading everyday. So, he's keeping company with
slammer, the only other person in my Bozo Bin.

Combined, those make up reason number one.

(BTW, I also realize it's a game for him. I just got tired of
reading all his crap).

2. I think Hillary Clinton is a deceitful, lying and unqualified person
to be the Chief Executive of this country. If I can convince just
one person to not vote for her, the effort would be worthwhile. If
you notice I don't call her supporters (including Harry) "loonies",
"trash" or other derogatory names. I try to make a case for my
arguments and opinions.

Your mileage may vary of course. It's your right.



Awwww. And you want those you convince to vote for Dumb Jebbie...