"After Clinton turned over her private email server to the FBI, federal
investigators found that it has been effectively wiped clean."

I guess she learned from Lois Lerner.
I'm at a loss for words, I can't believe this.
Mikek

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:08:31 -0500, amdx wrote:

"After Clinton turned over her private email server to the FBI, federal
investigators found that it has been effectively wiped clean."

I guess she learned from Lois Lerner.
I'm at a loss for words, I can't believe this.
Mikek


The fact that it was wiped clean indicates a conscious effort to
deceive. In normal use, there should be residual data in the unused
sectors.
It is like taking your car to the inspection station with a wiped ECU.
They won't buy that either.

On 8/14/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:08:31 -0500, amdx wrote:

"After Clinton turned over her private email server to the FBI, federal
investigators found that it has been effectively wiped clean."

I guess she learned from Lois Lerner.
I'm at a loss for words, I can't believe this.
Mikek


The fact that it was wiped clean indicates a conscious effort to
deceive. In normal use, there should be residual data in the unused
sectors.
It is like taking your car to the inspection station with a wiped ECU.
They won't buy that either.


That was the point I was trying to make earlier but Harry got hung up in
trying to educate me about how simple it is to do with third party
software available.

It's the fact that Hilary felt it was necessary to do it at all is what
is important given the time frame she had to think and consult with
others about it. She dragged her feet for a long time, at first
refusing to turn the server(s) over. She knew what the issue was and
what the FBI would be looking for. She previously claimed that all that
remained on them were innocent discussions about upcoming weddings, etc.
If she had nothing to hide it would have been better to leave those
emails intact to add credibility to her claims. Instead, she had the
drives wiped clean.

Having a government security clearance with official access and custody
of classified info or documents is serious business. If she were a
military member or a mere mortal civilian she would be subject to
prosecution. But not Hillary. She feels she's above the law and
doesn't have to play by the rules.

And she lies about it.

On 8/14/15 3:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:08:31 -0500, amdx wrote:

"After Clinton turned over her private email server to the FBI, federal
investigators found that it has been effectively wiped clean."

I guess she learned from Lois Lerner.
I'm at a loss for words, I can't believe this.
Mikek


The fact that it was wiped clean indicates a conscious effort to
deceive. In normal use, there should be residual data in the unused
sectors.
It is like taking your car to the inspection station with a wiped ECU.
They won't buy that either.


That was the point I was trying to make earlier but Harry got hung up in
trying to educate me about how simple it is to do with third party
software available.

It's the fact that Hilary felt it was necessary to do it at all is what
is important given the time frame she had to think and consult with
others about it. She dragged her feet for a long time, at first
refusing to turn the server(s) over. She knew what the issue was and
what the FBI would be looking for. She previously claimed that all that
remained on them were innocent discussions about upcoming weddings, etc.
If she had nothing to hide it would have been better to leave those
emails intact to add credibility to her claims. Instead, she had the
drives wiped clean.

Having a government security clearance with official access and custody
of classified info or documents is serious business. If she were a
military member or a mere mortal civilian she would be subject to
prosecution. But not Hillary. She feels she's above the law and
doesn't have to play by the rules.

And she lies about it.



The feigned outrage of you Republicans over this issue is really funny
to observe. It's Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi all over again as the
desperation sets in over your huge string of incompetent right-wing
zealots and the Trumpster who want your party's nomination.

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 3:41:07 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:08:31 -0500, amdx wrote:

"After Clinton turned over her private email server to the FBI, federal
investigators found that it has been effectively wiped clean."

I guess she learned from Lois Lerner.
I'm at a loss for words, I can't believe this.
Mikek


The fact that it was wiped clean indicates a conscious effort to
deceive. In normal use, there should be residual data in the unused
sectors.
It is like taking your car to the inspection station with a wiped ECU.
They won't buy that either.


That was the point I was trying to make earlier but Harry got hung up in
trying to educate me about how simple it is to do with third party
software available.

It's the fact that Hilary felt it was necessary to do it at all is what
is important given the time frame she had to think and consult with
others about it. She dragged her feet for a long time, at first
refusing to turn the server(s) over. She knew what the issue was and
what the FBI would be looking for. She previously claimed that all that
remained on them were innocent discussions about upcoming weddings, etc.
If she had nothing to hide it would have been better to leave those
emails intact to add credibility to her claims. Instead, she had the
drives wiped clean.

Having a government security clearance with official access and custody
of classified info or documents is serious business. If she were a
military member or a mere mortal civilian she would be subject to
prosecution. But not Hillary. She feels she's above the law and
doesn't have to play by the rules.

And she lies about it.

Hillary is toast. And as some would say... that's delicious.

On 8/14/15 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:08:31 -0500, amdx wrote:

"After Clinton turned over her private email server to the FBI, federal
investigators found that it has been effectively wiped clean."

I guess she learned from Lois Lerner.
I'm at a loss for words, I can't believe this.
Mikek


The fact that it was wiped clean indicates a conscious effort to
deceive. In normal use, there should be residual data in the unused
sectors.
It is like taking your car to the inspection station with a wiped ECU.
They won't buy that either.



No doubt this will grease the skids for your favorite Loonytarian
presidential wannabe who has no more chance of being elected than your
doggie.

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:32:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

No doubt this will grease the skids for your favorite Loonytarian

It is a telling thing about you that you equate "liberty" with
"loony".
I imagine you would have been a fascist in the 30s.
They called themselves social democrats too.

It seems that when that 3 AM phone call came in from Libya that she choose to do nothing and people died as a result of her inaction. And she made such a big deal during the 2008 election cycle about who would be able to handle such a call.

On 8/16/2015 1:24 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
It was quite the journey but finally I can say I am back on the
waterways again. Its been 4 years and 5 days since I last owned a boat.
When the last boat departed I thought I was done with boating. But,
alas, that was not in the cards. Last August the boat bug bit me again
and I started searching for a new to me boat. I took my time and at
least here in Michigan it is still a buyers market. I initially wanted
to spend no more than 10K. From August to May that was my plan.

In February I found a nice looking 1987 Chris Craft 291 Catalina. I made
an offer and it was accepted. I had to wait until spring for the survey
and sea trial. In May I drove up with the wife to take another look at
the boat. I noticed a chunk of the hull amidships on the port side had
dropped off. It was a rather large chunk of fiberglass so I pulled my
offer. I did not want to take any chances that were was some sort of
unseen and undiagnosed hull damage. While there my wife saw on the wall
where they had their listings a 1981 Carver 3007 Aft Cabin model boat so
she said we should go take a look at it.

On June 6th we drove to where the boat was located. Within a couple of
minutes my wife said to me, buy it. I made an offer and the broker took
it and called the seller. She countered and then we recountered and our
offer was accepted. Step one was completed. Now it was on to the survey
and sea trial.

On June 18th I showed up and the broker and surveyor were there. The
surveyor spent about 2 hours going over the boat peeking into every
opening he could find. Then we took the boat out into Lake Erie for its
sea trial. We ran into a problem. The port engine would only make 2200
RPM. The starboard engine made 3700 RPM. The surveyor stated prior to
going out he expected the engines to make at least 4200 RPM each. They
both did not max out so I decided not to have the boat pulled for the
hull survey since at that time I was not sure if I was going to go
through with the purchase.

The broker called the seller with the bad news. The seller stated that
the issues with the engines would be taken care of. It took a couple of
weeks before the issues were corrected. The mechanic said he found both
fuel filters were gunked up, his words. He then took the boat out again
and while it performed better they still did not perform as they should
have. So it was back to the mechanic. He then checked both engines for
compression and both engines were well within spec. Next he tuned both
engines and he took it out again to sea trial it. That time both engines
passed his muster.

I scheduled a followup sea trial for August 5th. The broker, surveyor
and myself boarded once again. We headed out into Lake Erie once again
to sea trial the boat. This time both engines reached 4200 RPM's. They
are 270 Crusaders. The surveyor was happy with the RPM's but not with
the top end speed. We only managed 23 MPH and the surveyor said this
boat should hit at least 30 MPH. We headed back to the marina to have
the boat pulled for the hull survey. When the boat was pulled from the
water we saw the reason for the low top end. The bottom of the whole
hull was coated with at least 3" of zebra mussels. That would certainly
slow a boat down. I had the marina powerwash the hull to remove the
mussels. We did not have time to go out into the lake again to check the
top speed but I am certain it will perform better the next time I take
her out into the lake.

Fast forward to Friday, August 14th. At 2 PM I drove to the brokers to
hand over a check for payment of the purchase. I was a happy camper once
again. This is what I ended up buying:

[image: http://i61.tinypic.com/qxusm0.jpg]

[image: http://i62.tinypic.com/2cntbgh.jpg]

Friday evening I drove to where the boat is docked. I am spending my
first weekend aboard. Since the boat has been setting pretty much all
season there is quite the population of spiders aboard. Last night I
zapped 27 of the little buggers and tonight I found another 4 more. I
wanted to kill as many of them as possible so I did not get bitten while
sleeping. All of them have been in the main salon area. I have not found
any in the aft cabin where I sleep or the head or forward cabin. I think
that getting 31 of them I have eliminated most of the inside population.
My fingers are crossed. I will be going home later today but I plan to
be back onboard on Wednesday. We'll see if there are any more to be
zapped. I will keep an eye out for any babies.

When I sea trialed the boat I found that the pump that supplies the
freshwater from the onboard tanks is bad. The seller chose not to put
any more money into the boat after getting the engines fixed and I can
certainly understand her feelings. I talked it over with a couple of
mechanics and they both said don't let a failed pump keep you from
buying a decent and nice looking boat. I did decide to go ahead with the
purchase knowing I will be replacing the pump. I will be ordering it
later today so it will be here when I arrive back to the boat on
Wednesday. Its going to be a pain in the behind fixing it. It looks like
there are 4 screws holding the pump to the mounting and there are
several hoses and wires that will have to be reckoned with. I am
debating whether to have someone make the installation or do it myself.

Anyway, having spent my first weekend aboard I am looking forward to
starting some new boating adventures. Its good to be back on the waters
once again.






Congratulations and enjoy it!

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 06:24:43 +0100, RGrew176
wrote:


It was quite the journey but finally I can say I am back on the
waterways again. Its been 4 years and 5 days since I last owned a boat.
When the last boat departed I thought I was done with boating. But,
alas, that was not in the cards. Last August the boat bug bit me again
and I started searching for a new to me boat. I took my time and at
least here in Michigan it is still a buyers market. I initially wanted
to spend no more than 10K. From August to May that was my plan.

In February I found a nice looking 1987 Chris Craft 291 Catalina. I made
an offer and it was accepted. I had to wait until spring for the survey
and sea trial. In May I drove up with the wife to take another look at
the boat. I noticed a chunk of the hull amidships on the port side had
dropped off. It was a rather large chunk of fiberglass so I pulled my
offer. I did not want to take any chances that were was some sort of
unseen and undiagnosed hull damage. While there my wife saw on the wall
where they had their listings a 1981 Carver 3007 Aft Cabin model boat so
she said we should go take a look at it.

On June 6th we drove to where the boat was located. Within a couple of
minutes my wife said to me, buy it. I made an offer and the broker took
it and called the seller. She countered and then we recountered and our
offer was accepted. Step one was completed. Now it was on to the survey
and sea trial.

On June 18th I showed up and the broker and surveyor were there. The
surveyor spent about 2 hours going over the boat peeking into every
opening he could find. Then we took the boat out into Lake Erie for its
sea trial. We ran into a problem. The port engine would only make 2200
RPM. The starboard engine made 3700 RPM. The surveyor stated prior to
going out he expected the engines to make at least 4200 RPM each. They
both did not max out so I decided not to have the boat pulled for the
hull survey since at that time I was not sure if I was going to go
through with the purchase.

The broker called the seller with the bad news. The seller stated that
the issues with the engines would be taken care of. It took a couple of
weeks before the issues were corrected. The mechanic said he found both
fuel filters were gunked up, his words. He then took the boat out again
and while it performed better they still did not perform as they should
have. So it was back to the mechanic. He then checked both engines for
compression and both engines were well within spec. Next he tuned both
engines and he took it out again to sea trial it. That time both engines
passed his muster.

I scheduled a followup sea trial for August 5th. The broker, surveyor
and myself boarded once again. We headed out into Lake Erie once again
to sea trial the boat. This time both engines reached 4200 RPM's. They
are 270 Crusaders. The surveyor was happy with the RPM's but not with
the top end speed. We only managed 23 MPH and the surveyor said this
boat should hit at least 30 MPH. We headed back to the marina to have
the boat pulled for the hull survey. When the boat was pulled from the
water we saw the reason for the low top end. The bottom of the whole
hull was coated with at least 3" of zebra mussels. That would certainly
slow a boat down. I had the marina powerwash the hull to remove the
mussels. We did not have time to go out into the lake again to check the
top speed but I am certain it will perform better the next time I take
her out into the lake.

Fast forward to Friday, August 14th. At 2 PM I drove to the brokers to
hand over a check for payment of the purchase. I was a happy camper once
again. This is what I ended up buying:

[image: http://i61.tinypic.com/qxusm0.jpg]

[image: http://i62.tinypic.com/2cntbgh.jpg]

Friday evening I drove to where the boat is docked. I am spending my
first weekend aboard. Since the boat has been setting pretty much all
season there is quite the population of spiders aboard. Last night I
zapped 27 of the little buggers and tonight I found another 4 more. I
wanted to kill as many of them as possible so I did not get bitten while
sleeping. All of them have been in the main salon area. I have not found
any in the aft cabin where I sleep or the head or forward cabin. I think
that getting 31 of them I have eliminated most of the inside population.
My fingers are crossed. I will be going home later today but I plan to
be back onboard on Wednesday. We'll see if there are any more to be
zapped. I will keep an eye out for any babies.

When I sea trialed the boat I found that the pump that supplies the
freshwater from the onboard tanks is bad. The seller chose not to put
any more money into the boat after getting the engines fixed and I can
certainly understand her feelings. I talked it over with a couple of
mechanics and they both said don't let a failed pump keep you from
buying a decent and nice looking boat. I did decide to go ahead with the
purchase knowing I will be replacing the pump. I will be ordering it
later today so it will be here when I arrive back to the boat on
Wednesday. Its going to be a pain in the behind fixing it. It looks like
there are 4 screws holding the pump to the mounting and there are
several hoses and wires that will have to be reckoned with. I am
debating whether to have someone make the installation or do it myself.

Anyway, having spent my first weekend aboard I am looking forward to
starting some new boating adventures. Its good to be back on the waters
once again.

===

Looks good. Hope your happy with it and welcome back to the group.

The fun never stops!