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Why the silence from JohnH?
Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans?
He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/20/15 5:42 PM, jps wrote:
Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ The right-wing trash here is too busy defending Trump from charges he is a racist to comment on his "swiftboating" of John McCain. |
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On 7/20/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/20/15 5:42 PM, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ The right-wing trash here is too busy defending Trump from charges he is a racist to comment on his "swiftboating" of John McCain. And on the local front, The biggest scumbag of all is attempting to divert much needed attention from his own personal shortfalls. Let's talk about your bankruptcie*s*, your forclosure, your tax evasion*S*, your failure as a husband and father, your failures to get and keep a job, your lies about your dearly departed mother and father, your lies about your accomplishments, your lies about your possessions. your misrepresentations in order to obtain union benefits. Yes, there's much to discuss about Harry Krause. So let's get the ball rolling. SPLAIN YURSELF HARRY. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:
Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Why did you and Krause give Al Franken a pass? When Senator McCain was running for the White House in 2000, comedian/author Al Franken made comments very similar to Trump's. This happened before Franken was selected to the U.S. Senate. "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing," Franken said at the time. "Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war." Franken's thoughts were part of a post on Salon.com in January of 2000 in a story titled, "What's at Stake in the 2000 Elections?" |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:42:18 -0700, jps wrote:
Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Where've you been? Your made up **** is as bad as Harry's. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/20/15 5:42 PM, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ The right-wing trash here is too busy defending Trump from charges he is a racist to comment on his "swiftboating" of John McCain. Another lie. Several comments have been made. And, no one here has 'defended' Trump. He made no 'racist' comments, so defense was unnecessary. Of course you can keep on with the lies and nonsense if it fulfills a narcissistic need. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:06:00 -0400, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 7/20/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 5:42 PM, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ The right-wing trash here is too busy defending Trump from charges he is a racist to comment on his "swiftboating" of John McCain. And on the local front, The biggest scumbag of all is attempting to divert much needed attention from his own personal shortfalls. Let's talk about your bankruptcie*s*, your forclosure, your tax evasion*S*, your failure as a husband and father, your failures to get and keep a job, your lies about your dearly departed mother and father, your lies about your accomplishments, your lies about your possessions. your misrepresentations in order to obtain union benefits. Yes, there's much to discuss about Harry Krause. So let's get the ball rolling. SPLAIN YURSELF HARRY. Lots of truth right there. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger wrote:
On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-7, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Why did you and Krause give Al Franken a pass? When Senator McCain was running for the White House in 2000, comedian/author Al Franken made comments very similar to Trump's. This happened before Franken was selected to the U.S. Senate. "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing," Franken said at the time. "Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war." Franken's thoughts were part of a post on Salon.com in January of 2000 in a story titled, "What's at Stake in the 2000 Elections?" Good question. I'm sure Harry will say you're not 'entitled' to a response 'cause he's not got the balls to make one. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 7/20/15 8:37 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 5:42 PM, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ The right-wing trash here is too busy defending Trump from charges he is a racist to comment on his "swiftboating" of John McCain. Another lie. Several comments have been made. And, no one here has 'defended' Trump. He made no 'racist' comments, so defense was unnecessary. Of course you can keep on with the lies and nonsense if it fulfills a narcissistic need. It's just one racist - you - defending another. |
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:54:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/20/15 8:37 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 5:42 PM, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ The right-wing trash here is too busy defending Trump from charges he is a racist to comment on his "swiftboating" of John McCain. Another lie. Several comments have been made. And, no one here has 'defended' Trump. He made no 'racist' comments, so defense was unnecessary. Of course you can keep on with the lies and nonsense if it fulfills a narcissistic need. It's just one racist - you - defending another. Neither of which fit the definition you posted. What a joke you are, Krause. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 7/20/2015 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger wrote: On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-7, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Why did you and Krause give Al Franken a pass? When Senator McCain was running for the White House in 2000, comedian/author Al Franken made comments very similar to Trump's. This happened before Franken was selected to the U.S. Senate. "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing," Franken said at the time. "Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war." Franken's thoughts were part of a post on Salon.com in January of 2000 in a story titled, "What's at Stake in the 2000 Elections?" Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. Trump's fatal flaw is his gigantic ego. He can't be wrong about anything. Right now it's his blunder about McCain. In a week it will be something else. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/20/2015 9:34 PM, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger wrote: On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-7, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Why did you and Krause give Al Franken a pass? When Senator McCain was running for the White House in 2000, comedian/author Al Franken made comments very similar to Trump's. This happened before Franken was selected to the U.S. Senate. "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing," Franken said at the time. "Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war." Franken's thoughts were part of a post on Salon.com in January of 2000 in a story titled, "What's at Stake in the 2000 Elections?" Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. Trump's fatal flaw is his gigantic ego. He can't be wrong about anything. Right now it's his blunder about McCain. In a week it will be something else. Hope he stays in as a repub or an Indy. 'Merica needs him. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:53:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Trump's fatal flaw is his gigantic ego. He can't be wrong about anything. Right now it's his blunder about McCain. In a week it will be something else. === Absolutely right, a gigantic ego coupled with a thin skin and a propensity to shoot from the hip. Not exactly presidential leadership material in my opinion. |
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On 7/21/15 1:07 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. I wasn't thinking that you meant Trump would die. Trump appeals to the haters because he says awful things about people and groups of people. In 'Merica, that sort of posturing by a political figure seems to have staying power...ala Sarah Palin, for example. I only *hope* he gets the GOP nomination or decides to run as an Independent; I don't believe either of those outcomes will happen. But no matter what Trump decides to do, I don't believe he'll settle back and STFU. He's going to have a negative impact on GOP presidential chances. Thankfully. :) Oh, and Bernie Sanders has already stated he wouldn't run as an Independent. I'm sure he'll keep his word. |
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On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 6:34:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger wrote: On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-7, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Why did you and Krause give Al Franken a pass? When Senator McCain was running for the White House in 2000, comedian/author Al Franken made comments very similar to Trump's. This happened before Franken was selected to the U.S. Senate. "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing," Franken said at the time. "Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war." Franken's thoughts were part of a post on Salon.com in January of 2000 in a story titled, "What's at Stake in the 2000 Elections?" Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. Oh,OK... so it's a "joke" when a liberal says the same thing that Trump did? And, McCain thought it funny when Franken said it? So why is the exact same comment not funny now? I believe Sen. McCain to be a war hero, so I don't like how either Franken or Trump phrased what they said. but, there is a clear double standard from Democrats, the media, and Senator McCain himself. Has Al Franken apologized to veterans in general, as John McCain has called on Trump to do? And....so far, I've not heard any apology from Senator McCain for calling those 15,000 Trump supporters in Arizona "crazies". |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 04:32:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger wrote:
On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 6:34:42 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger wrote: On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:42:22 PM UTC-7, jps wrote: Why is this guy getting a pass from you war veterans? He's a scumbag and a liar and doesn't deserve your tacit approval. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/ Why did you and Krause give Al Franken a pass? When Senator McCain was running for the White House in 2000, comedian/author Al Franken made comments very similar to Trump's. This happened before Franken was selected to the U.S. Senate. "I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing," Franken said at the time. "Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war." Franken's thoughts were part of a post on Salon.com in January of 2000 in a story titled, "What's at Stake in the 2000 Elections?" Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. Oh,OK... so it's a "joke" when a liberal says the same thing that Trump did? And, McCain thought it funny when Franken said it? So why is the exact same comment not funny now? I believe Sen. McCain to be a war hero, so I don't like how either Franken or Trump phrased what they said. but, there is a clear double standard from Democrats, the media, and Senator McCain himself. Has Al Franken apologized to veterans in general, as John McCain has called on Trump to do? And....so far, I've not heard any apology from Senator McCain for calling those 15,000 Trump supporters in Arizona "crazies". Good questions. Liberals won't address them, however. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? === Working class folks might very well support his anti-immigration stance. |
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On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. They paid them what the job was worth. Without onerous work rules. |
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On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:
You just can't take arrogance in your black folk. Uppity. Gibberish! |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:33:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? === Working class folks might very well support his anti-immigration stance. Working folks don't want the jobs illegal immigrants take. The only overlap might be in the construction industry and those guys are already scraping the IQ barrel from breathing portland cement dust. Which means they're voting Republican already. If they're part of the trades, they don't hire illegals for union gigs. |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:45:46 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Globalism has surely screwed the middle class, but given the choice between big business Republicans and their uber wealthy constituents and the Democrats who've always supported unions and the working class, those guys will still vote Dem. |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:12:30 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Mexicans doing labor in the US or Mexicans doing skilled assembly jobs in Mexico? |
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On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 1:11:09 AM UTC-7, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:33:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? === Working class folks might very well support his anti-immigration stance. Working folks don't want the jobs illegal immigrants take. The only overlap might be in the construction industry and those guys are already scraping the IQ barrel from breathing portland cement dust. Which means they're voting Republican already. If they're part of the trades, they don't hire illegals for union gigs. Do you screen the illegals that you hire? |
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On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:14:56 AM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:12:30 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Mexicans doing labor in the US or Mexicans doing skilled assembly jobs in Mexico? My ex-wife worked at the Lordstown, OH GM plant straight out of high school back in the late 70's. Skilled assembly job? What a laugh. Barely trained monkey work is more like it. And the pay was damn good, and the union protected your job no matter how badly you screwed up. She used to boast about the time she purposely caused the assembly line to shut down. Got called in to be fired, but the union rep saved her. That kind of union crap is what ultimately moved those jobs down south and to Mexico. The union had a big hand in the loss of middle class manufacturing in America. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 2:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. It's not the Mexicans fault. It's the damn unions that make American industries non-competative. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 4:11 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:33:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:35:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/20/15 9:34 PM, wrote: Fraken is a comedian and he made it clear it was a joke. Later McCain and he did the joke again on a TV show. I do believe this may be fatal for trump. He had the chance to recover and he doubled down on the insult. I am not sure he even understands what the hero part came from. It wasn't being shot down or even the years in captivity. It was turning down the chance to be released. McCain said if the rest can't go, he wasn't going. "Fatal for Trump." Hilarious from any and every point of view. Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? === Working class folks might very well support his anti-immigration stance. Working folks don't want the jobs illegal immigrants take. The only overlap might be in the construction industry and those guys are already scraping the IQ barrel from breathing portland cement dust. Which means they're voting Republican already. If they're part of the trades, they don't hire illegals for union gigs. Sounds like you've been breathing the fairy dust. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 4:14 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:12:30 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Mexicans doing labor in the US or Mexicans doing skilled assembly jobs in Mexico? Mexico keeps all their skilled labor and pushes all low and no skilled labor across the border to the promised land? Didn't know that. Thanks for the enlightenment. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 6:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Artificially inflated labor rates, Union management overheadungodly benefits, cushy working conditions, (hire a union boy to plug in a light cord? No thank you.) Greedy union management and employees have been proven to kill viable companies. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a third party Independent run. Who knows. But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald. Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's. I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue If Donald Trump with all of his warts could make it in the business world, why couldn't you, Mr Krause??? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Why the silence from JohnH?
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp. And why did those companies move the jobs? Maybe because they could not afford to pay an uneducated laborer $135k with benefits to put lug nuts on a car on an assembly line. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/15 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. It simply means that his anti-Mexican message is resonating in the vacuum chamber of no message at all from anyone else. I still do not believe he is going to survive the primaries. Even if he doesn't, he can always decide to run as an Indy. In any case, he is causing problems for the GOPers, which is good. :) |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a third party Independent run. Who knows. But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald. Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's. I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him. The scariest thing about imagining Trump as POTUS is he would have the keys to the "football". |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/15 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/22/2015 11:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. Much as I would like to see Trump win the GOP nomination and thus help bury that party, I don't see it happening. Maybe he's going to mount a third party Independent run. Who knows. But what Trump's presence is doing is creating massive problems, perhaps short term, perhaps long term, for the GOP, and its 2016 presidential aspirations. So, I say, bon chance, Donald. Trump is showing well in the GOP polls right now because he can articulate his racist, anti-ethnic remarks better than the other GOP candidates who, in reality, are probably more anti-ethnic and racist than he is. He's also an obnoxious, low-information, loudmouthed demigogue, and Republicans go for that, too...c.f., Sarah Palin, and several of the other current GOP presidential nomination wannabe's. I'd just bet that Trump is the favorite of several of our right-wing posters here in .wrecked.boats. They won't admit it, but...they love him. The scariest thing about imagining Trump as POTUS is he would have the keys to the "football". There are at least a dozen GOP wannabe's in the nominating race to whom that comment could easily apply. |
Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/22/2015 12:58 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/22/15 12:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:50:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:06:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/22/15 2:12 AM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:15:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/21/15 8:45 PM, wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:10:59 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:07:47 -0400, wrote: Why is that? I don't mean he will die or even that the TV networks will never hire him again. I just think that if he doesn't do something to walk back this John McCain thing his presidential bid will fail ... at least without significant democratic support. That is still a possibility tho. What part of Trump's message do you think Democrats would support? I bet that anti immigrant message resounds with those rednecks up in the rust belt who watched their UAW jobs go south. You folks assume all democrats are latte sipping erudites, sitting around debating the virtues of public transit but there are plenty of blue collar democrats. Without them, you would not win many elections Those UAW jobs didn't go "south" because of immigrants, they went south to Tennessee, Georgia, and the Carolinas because the jobless peopole down there were hungry for any sort of decent work, and didn't care whether the corporations would exploit them, and pay them far less in salary and benefits. You make a lot of assumptions about "folks" you don't really know. I know a bunch of UAW people. My wife's family and most of their friends worked for Chrysler or Delco. Before Tennessee, the jobs were going to Mexico and a lot of the manufacturing is still there. That is where the Delco Radio operation went when my mother in law, 2 sisters in law and several of their friends lost their jobs. The last time I was in Kokomo, that was a big empty building. Ask those people what they think of Mexicans. Once again, it isn't the Mexicans who screwed over these workers...it is their former employers. The anger should be directed at the companies who moved the jobs offshore for greed while in search of cheap labor and weak environmental and safety standards. While there will be some workers who may blame the Mexican workers, Chinese workers, Vietnamese workers, et cetera, most know by now it was their former corporate employers who did them dirty. Maybe not but emotions are seldom driven by fact And neither are your posts on this issue and many others. Everyone knws a bunch of people and has an anecdote about this, that, or the other, but you cannot quantify in any scientific way the number of "American" workers who lost their jobs because of corporate flight and instead of blaming the corporations blame the workers who got their jobs. If your friends and in-laws are still blaming Mexicans for loss of their jobs, they're in a time warp Trump is polling at 25% There must be a lot of people in the same time warp. Oh, *now* Trump's lead in the GOP polling means something to you? Funny, it didn't seem to mean much to you last week. It simply means that his anti-Mexican message is resonating in the vacuum chamber of no message at all from anyone else. I still do not believe he is going to survive the primaries. Even if he doesn't, he can always decide to run as an Indy. In any case, he is causing problems for the GOPers, which is good. :) He's doing all he can do to give his buddy Hillery a leg up. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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