Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:11:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/23/15 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:26:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:23:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:19:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


The legals do not want the jobs we need the illegals do. They make more
money and benefits from the government than they would earn working.

Landscaping is landscaping...whether legal or not. I don't know how bad the welfare
program is with the 'legal' immigrants. My impression of Mexicans is that they bust
their ass. I'm sure there are some bad ones out there, but they're not the ones that
get the bad press around here.

The rumor around here is that during ther 2008-10 problems the legals
who did not go back to Mexico discovered public assistance and now
that work is plentiful, they just got a fake ID, work their ass off
and still collect benefits with 2 SSNs.
At least that is what the ICE guys said on the last raid when they
were just confiscating fake IDs



Always amazes me that the bile and insults aimed towards hard-working
Mexicans typically doing jobs U.S. citizens won't do isn't also aimed at
the banksters and brokersters who tanked the U.S. economy and the
corporationists who sold our jobs offshore and are raking in record
profits because of cheap labor.

That was non-responsive.

Why bother quoting previous messages if you are not responding to what
was said?


It was perfectly responsive. Whatever the "illegal" Mexicans are doing
in manual labor jobs, they didn't tank our economy.

You're right, Clinton, et al, aren't Mexican and aren't illegal.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 11:38 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 11:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:25:21 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/23/15 11:07 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:15:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/23/15 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:26:08 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:



The conversation was about Harry's landscaper, not his doctor.


If you need a good proctologist, Harry's the one to recommend one.

Does being a target make one an expert on shooters?



FlaJim probably is too much of a pussy to get a colonoscopy.

You think it takes courage?


More than a coward who tosses out endless insults and hides behind
anonymity like Fla Jim does.

How is 'Fla Jim' any more anonymous than 'FOAD', for example, or
'Keyser Sose'?



Oh, right, because I used to post here with my real name and no one
knows it. Right.

Why did you decide to go anonymous and why?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:23:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:19:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


The legals do not want the jobs we need the illegals do. They make more
money and benefits from the government than they would earn working.

Landscaping is landscaping...whether legal or not. I don't know how bad the welfare
program is with the 'legal' immigrants. My impression of Mexicans is that they bust
their ass. I'm sure there are some bad ones out there, but they're not the ones that
get the bad press around here.

The rumor around here is that during ther 2008-10 problems the legals
who did not go back to Mexico discovered public assistance and now
that work is plentiful, they just got a fake ID, work their ass off
and still collect benefits with 2 SSNs.
At least that is what the ICE guys said on the last raid when they
were just confiscating fake IDs



Always amazes me that the bile and insults aimed towards hard-working
Mexicans typically doing jobs U.S. citizens won't do isn't also aimed at
the banksters and brokersters who tanked the U.S. economy and the
corporationists who sold our jobs offshore and are raking in record
profits because of cheap labor.

American used to do those jobs. What changed? More pay for not working?

Many of those jobs were filled by high school and college kids. You don't see many of
them working nowadays.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 1:21 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:23:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:19:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


The legals do not want the jobs we need the illegals do. They make more
money and benefits from the government than they would earn working.

Landscaping is landscaping...whether legal or not. I don't know how bad the welfare
program is with the 'legal' immigrants. My impression of Mexicans is that they bust
their ass. I'm sure there are some bad ones out there, but they're not the ones that
get the bad press around here.

The rumor around here is that during ther 2008-10 problems the legals
who did not go back to Mexico discovered public assistance and now
that work is plentiful, they just got a fake ID, work their ass off
and still collect benefits with 2 SSNs.
At least that is what the ICE guys said on the last raid when they
were just confiscating fake IDs



Always amazes me that the bile and insults aimed towards hard-working
Mexicans typically doing jobs U.S. citizens won't do isn't also aimed at
the banksters and brokersters who tanked the U.S. economy and the
corporationists who sold our jobs offshore and are raking in record
profits because of cheap labor.

American used to do those jobs. What changed? More pay for not working?

Many of those jobs were filled by high school and college kids. You don't see many of
them working nowadays.



They've gone to flowers, everyone.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 1:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 1:21 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:23:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:19:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


The legals do not want the jobs we need the illegals do. They
make more
money and benefits from the government than they would earn working.

Landscaping is landscaping...whether legal or not. I don't know
how bad the welfare
program is with the 'legal' immigrants. My impression of Mexicans
is that they bust
their ass. I'm sure there are some bad ones out there, but they're
not the ones that
get the bad press around here.

The rumor around here is that during ther 2008-10 problems the legals
who did not go back to Mexico discovered public assistance and now
that work is plentiful, they just got a fake ID, work their ass off
and still collect benefits with 2 SSNs.
At least that is what the ICE guys said on the last raid when they
were just confiscating fake IDs



Always amazes me that the bile and insults aimed towards hard-working
Mexicans typically doing jobs U.S. citizens won't do isn't also
aimed at
the banksters and brokersters who tanked the U.S. economy and the
corporationists who sold our jobs offshore and are raking in record
profits because of cheap labor.

American used to do those jobs. What changed? More pay for not
working?

Many of those jobs were filled by high school and college kids. You
don't see many of
them working nowadays.



They've gone to flowers, everyone.


Dedicated to Harry or is it Mary or Sue?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q... D11273689CBC1
--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:12:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:46:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



As to blaming the bankers for the tanking, try being a bit honest. It won't hurt.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thre...ons_drive.html

There, that clears that up.



Oh, snerk.

Now you are snerking Mike Bloomberg? He is to the left of you.


Oh, Mikey is writing under a nom de plume now, eh?

The last time I looked "Bloomberg Business" was one of Mikey's rags.



And you think Bloomberg looks at every article every day planned for his
site before it appears, eh?

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:17:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:12:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:46:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



As to blaming the bankers for the tanking, try being a bit honest. It won't hurt.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thre...ons_drive.html

There, that clears that up.



Oh, snerk.

Now you are snerking Mike Bloomberg? He is to the left of you.


Oh, Mikey is writing under a nom de plume now, eh?

The last time I looked "Bloomberg Business" was one of Mikey's rags.



And you think Bloomberg looks at every article every day planned for his
site before it appears, eh?

I think that if you are not writing the type of article Mike likes,
you won't be working there long.

Do you have the same opinion of Fox and Murdoch?


I doubt Murdoch watches a lot of Fox News. He's not, after all, the sort
of idiot the network attracts to its "news" programming.

Back in the day when I worked for a big circulation daily newspaper, the
stuff on the editorial pages -opinions and op ed pieces and features-
ran the gamut. There was no effort made to kiss the ass of either the
editorial page editors or the managing editors or the publisher. My
guess is that Bloomberg himself pays little attention to the content of
his publication(s).

Now, my hometown paper, the New Haven Register, was "responsible
Republican" in those days, and it rarely endorsed other than Republican
candidates for political office, but it had little difficulty getting
behind editorials that were "progressive" in nature. Of course, back in
those days, Republicans were *responsible* and not the sort of insane
trash that party puts forth for national office these days.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:29:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.

"Nationwide"? That sounds like something that *might* be happening in
a few union dominated states where you have to be in the union to work
but it is certainly not true most places.
Guys around here are always having troubles finding local kids who
want to learn a trade. That is coming from the electrical contractors
group I belong to, not just a rumor on the street of an "anecdote".
Kids do show up but most never finish the apprenticeship. The work is
too hard.

Right now hiring in the building trades is up 7% so far this year
(according to the news today) and they are advertising everywhere
trying to get more people.
If you know some trade guys who can handle a little sunshine, send
them down.


Uh, northern unionized trade workers/apprentices avoid Florida for the
most part in the spring, summer, and fall months because your pay rates
suck.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 3:17:28 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:12:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:46:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



As to blaming the bankers for the tanking, try being a bit honest. It won't hurt.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thre...ons_drive.html

There, that clears that up.



Oh, snerk.

Now you are snerking Mike Bloomberg? He is to the left of you.


Oh, Mikey is writing under a nom de plume now, eh?

The last time I looked "Bloomberg Business" was one of Mikey's rags.



And you think Bloomberg looks at every article every day planned for his
site before it appears, eh?

Maybe not, but that doesn't stop you from throwing articles under the bus when they are published from a to-the-right-of-you site, now does it? Think their owners look at every article?

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year



Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 6:47 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled
trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year



Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 6:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/23/2015 6:47 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled
trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year



Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?



It's always a grin to watch the plutocrats and wannabes put down the
difficulties involved in learning how to be a competent building
tradesman who works on large commercial buildings. I doubt anyone here
could learn or pass the specialty welding requirements involved, for
example, in a pharma plant, or a nuclear plant, or the chemistry
requirements involved in high strength cold weather mortar mixing or
coloration for bricklaying, or the building, running and maintenance of
a large-scale power plant. These workers aren't nailing together 2x4's
to build the wall frames of a stick built house, or using glue to
assembly plumbing pipe.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:23:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:19:14 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


The legals do not want the jobs we need the illegals do. They make
more
money and benefits from the government than they would earn working.

Landscaping is landscaping...whether legal or not. I don't know how
bad the welfare
program is with the 'legal' immigrants. My impression of Mexicans is
that they bust
their ass. I'm sure there are some bad ones out there, but they're
not the ones that
get the bad press around here.

The rumor around here is that during ther 2008-10 problems the legals
who did not go back to Mexico discovered public assistance and now
that work is plentiful, they just got a fake ID, work their ass off
and still collect benefits with 2 SSNs.
At least that is what the ICE guys said on the last raid when they
were just confiscating fake IDs



Always amazes me that the bile and insults aimed towards hard-working
Mexicans typically doing jobs U.S. citizens won't do isn't also aimed
at the banksters and brokersters who tanked the U.S. economy and the
corporationists who sold our jobs offshore and are raking in record
profits because of cheap labor.


Like the people at Apple that you support with enthusiasm?

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:47:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year



Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?

Learning on the job seems to be a lot more efficient than simply
sitting people in a classroom. You can do most of the "theory" and
"code" training online.
The ECF program mixes class with "Lab" and then actual OJT.

A self starter should be able to "test out" of a lot of the theory and
code classes.
There are lots of online resources both free and fee based. Someone
who is willing to apply themselves can burn through this pretty fast.


The things that require actual hands on instruction are use of tools,
techniques and practices. Then it is just experience and you do not
get that in a classroom.

BTW there is not a lot of stick building going on here. CBS is king
because of the hurricane code. You can build with block and stucco
cheaper than buying and installing all the simpson clips you need for
stick construction and get a 150-170 MPH rating. What does Maryland
build to?
It is 90 for most of the state 110 on the south tip around St Marys
and the Eastern Shore, 120 right on the beach.
That is the 2012 code. It used to be 80 and that wasn't really
enforced.


Your post indicates you know nothing about apprenticeship training
programs in the organized building trades. The programs all combine
classroom and on the job training and work, and always have.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via
some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for
a pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Or building a tunnel under Boston, or a drilling rig in the Gulf.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 8:15 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.


Harry, there are many ways in which one can become certified at
different levels of welding, including a nuclear certification.
Same holds true for boiler makers, pipe fitters, electricians,
carpenters, plumbers and virtually all trades at all levels.
You don't have to be union to become certified or licensed.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Bull****. Our local community college has a welding technology program.
Come off of a 2 year program, certified welder. My brother could weld
already when he went in the SeaBees. They sent him to a 3 week school at I
think Lincoln Welders factory. Came out Nuclear certified. Was one of the
Welders that built the reactor in the Antarctic back in the 60's. Was just
up on Vancouver Island. They have trades courses in high school. They
build what are called small houses. 800-1200 ft. Sq. the houses are sold
at the end of the year. Are able to be moved. Pass code. Bring back
trades in middle and high school. For the 80% who should not or do not
want college.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 8:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Bull****. Our local community college has a welding technology program.
Come off of a 2 year program, certified welder. My brother could weld
already when he went in the SeaBees. They sent him to a 3 week school at I
think Lincoln Welders factory. Came out Nuclear certified. Was one of the
Welders that built the reactor in the Antarctic back in the 60's. Was just
up on Vancouver Island. They have trades courses in high school. They
build what are called small houses. 800-1200 ft. Sq. the houses are sold
at the end of the year. Are able to be moved. Pass code. Bring back
trades in middle and high school. For the 80% who should not or do not
want college.



Sometimes Harry seems to forget (or ignore) the fact that the vast
majority of tradespeople including certified welders, licensed
electricians, carpenters and plumbers are *not* union or union trained.

My son-in-law is a licensed electrician who started his own business.
He's currently attending night school (again) to get his master
electrician certification and license. The biggest advantage the master
license offers is the number of people he can hire to work for his business.

He can currently have a limited number of people working for him (forget
how many). I asked him recently how he gets extra help when he's busy
and needs it. There are many other licensed electricians that
he has met over the time he has had the business and most often one or
more of them are available to help. I asked him if he ever hires union
electricians from an pool of available people. He has, but doesn't like
to unless he can't find anyone else. I asked "Why?"

He said that the union guys don't like to do a wide range of work and
complain if they have to do something that they normally don't do.

My son-in-law is a straight shooter. He doesn't make **** up.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:15:57 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 6:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/23/2015 6:47 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled
trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year



Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?



It's always a grin to watch the plutocrats and wannabes put down the
difficulties involved in learning how to be a competent building
tradesman who works on large commercial buildings. I doubt anyone here
could learn or pass the specialty welding requirements involved, for
example, in a pharma plant, or a nuclear plant, or the chemistry
requirements involved in high strength cold weather mortar mixing or
coloration for bricklaying, or the building, running and maintenance of
a large-scale power plant. These workers aren't nailing together 2x4's
to build the wall frames of a stick built house, or using glue to
assembly plumbing pipe.


But most of the construction is not in nuclear plants and most
commercial buildings are not welded together.
Most construction guys build houses or low rise commercial that uses
the same techniques.



I am IAEI, ICBO and ICC certified in commercial electric along with a
Florida license. I do know what is involved.

They have even changed the code to allow "glued" plastic pipe and
Romex in commercial in most states.

Yes, well I am sure everything you know about construction can be taught in
one afternoon course at the local JuCo, right? Or perhaps via a popup book.
😀 Who needs apprenticeship programs?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:49:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Back in the day when I worked for a big circulation daily newspaper

===

Which was what, a summer internship 45 years ago?

I can not speak to the building trades. I can however speak to the skilled trades program in the auto industry. I am a diemaker by trade. The Ford program was 2000 hours of classroom instruction and 6000 hours of on the job, hands on training.

I completed my apprenticeship in 3 1/2 years and I enjoyed a nice 11+ years working in the trade before taking a salaried position with Ford for my final 13 years there.

I would think that most skilled trade positions are structured because they have to be. To call someone a slow learner because it might take 3 to 4 years to complete the program is an insult to tradesmen(women) in general.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:11:36 -0400, wrote:

I know the unions hate the idea of snap together conduit and
preassembled electrical boxes but that is the way the industry is
going. Plumbers are not packing cast iron drain pipe joints with Oakum
and lead and roof trusses come in on trucks from factories instead of
framing rafters with hand cut lumber. It may be sad that we are losing
some of those skills but we are also losing the skill of using a
typewriter, operating a slide rule and navigating with a sextant.
It is not the 20th century anymore.

===

Well said.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/23/2015 11:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:49:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Back in the day when I worked for a big circulation daily newspaper

===

Which was what, a summer internship 45 years ago?

There's not enough people in Kansas to support a "big circulation daily"
Besides he was just an obit. copywriter.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

MSNBC is restructuring programing.
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
When you are dead last in the cable ratings you need to do something.





I'm pretty sure Fox has all the viewers who are no smarter than Brillo pads.

Majority of the voters?

MSNBC is restructuring programing.
 

On 7/24/15 12:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
When you are dead last in the cable ratings you need to do something.





I'm pretty sure Fox has all the viewers who are no smarter than Brillo pads.

Majority of the voters?


I wouldn't speak to the intelligence of voters generally, but there have
been several studies showing that Fox viewers ain't that bright and I
believe one study showed that the more they watched Fox, the dumber they
got.

A problem in this country is that an awfully high percentage of those
who are qualified to vote don't vote. That's been the case, pretty much,
since I became conscious of voting, back when I was a young teenager.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

Greg, you left out the vanishing art of Morse Code, shorthand, and manual writing in general,

MSNBC is restructuring programing.
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 12:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
When you are dead last in the cable ratings you need to do something.





I'm pretty sure Fox has all the viewers who are no smarter than Brillo pads.

Majority of the voters?


I wouldn't speak to the intelligence of voters generally, but there have
been several studies showing that Fox viewers ain't that bright and I
believe one study showed that the more they watched Fox, the dumber they got.

A problem in this country is that an awfully high percentage of those who
are qualified to vote don't vote. That's been the case, pretty much,
since I became conscious of voting, back when I was a young teenager.

The problem is we have politicians catering to those who would vote public
money to themselves. Seems as if there was a warning about the life of
democracy and public money give away.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:27:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/23/2015 8:15 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.


Harry, there are many ways in which one can become certified at
different levels of welding, including a nuclear certification.
Same holds true for boiler makers, pipe fitters, electricians,
carpenters, plumbers and virtually all trades at all levels.
You don't have to be union to become certified or licensed.


I'll bet the Navy has experts in all of those areas, and none of them went through a
union apprenticeship.

Surprising what one can learn in eight weeks.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:15:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Harry, you're up to your old bull****ting ways.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:32:33 -0400, Justan Olphat wrote:

On 7/23/2015 11:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:49:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Back in the day when I worked for a big circulation daily newspaper

===

Which was what, a summer internship 45 years ago?

There's not enough people in Kansas to support a "big circulation daily"
Besides he was just an obit. copywriter.

I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/24/2015 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:27:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/23/2015 8:15 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.


Harry, there are many ways in which one can become certified at
different levels of welding, including a nuclear certification.
Same holds true for boiler makers, pipe fitters, electricians,
carpenters, plumbers and virtually all trades at all levels.
You don't have to be union to become certified or licensed.


I'll bet the Navy has experts in all of those areas, and none of them went through a
union apprenticeship.

Surprising what one can learn in eight weeks.



I wasn't thinking of the Navy when I posted the above, but you are
certainly correct. Some of the best tradespeople are military trained
.... Navy SeaBees is an excellent example. I worked with them for a
while doing electrical work. I am sure the Army and other service
branches have excellent schools and training programs as well.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:39:07 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:47:20 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:11:36 -0400, wrote:

I know the unions hate the idea of snap together conduit and
preassembled electrical boxes but that is the way the industry is
going. Plumbers are not packing cast iron drain pipe joints with Oakum
and lead and roof trusses come in on trucks from factories instead of
framing rafters with hand cut lumber. It may be sad that we are losing
some of those skills but we are also losing the skill of using a
typewriter, operating a slide rule and navigating with a sextant.
It is not the 20th century anymore.

===

Well said.

It may be that the building trades are going to the assembly line
model because we are trying to reemploy all of those auto workers ;-)

It is interesting when you see the road warriors selling these new
plug and play products. They seem very expensive on the face but when
he starts talking about labor cost and cycle time, they start looking
good to the builders.

CBS has pretty much made the traditional bricklayer obsolete. You can
do "Berlin wall" quality block work if you are insulating and dry
walling the inside and putting 1/2" of stucco on the outside.
All you see is the drywall and stucco finish. That is usually textured
to hide even more defects.
Strength is not much of an issue when you are doweling at least 16% of
the cells and the top 16" is solid concrete with four #5s in it.

Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/23/2015 8:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done
via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of
Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping
for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Bull****. Our local community college has a welding technology program.
Come off of a 2 year program, certified welder. My brother could weld
already when he went in the SeaBees. They sent him to a 3 week
school at I
think Lincoln Welders factory. Came out Nuclear certified. Was one
of the
Welders that built the reactor in the Antarctic back in the 60's.
Was just
up on Vancouver Island. They have trades courses in high school. They
build what are called small houses. 800-1200 ft. Sq. the houses are
sold
at the end of the year. Are able to be moved. Pass code. Bring back
trades in middle and high school. For the 80% who should not or do not
want college.



Sometimes Harry seems to forget (or ignore) the fact that the vast
majority of tradespeople including certified welders, licensed
electricians, carpenters and plumbers are *not* union or union trained.

My son-in-law is a licensed electrician who started his own business.
He's currently attending night school (again) to get his master
electrician certification and license. The biggest advantage the
master license offers is the number of people he can hire to work for
his business.

He can currently have a limited number of people working for him
(forget how many). I asked him recently how he gets extra help when
he's busy and needs it. There are many other licensed electricians that
he has met over the time he has had the business and most often one or
more of them are available to help. I asked him if he ever hires union
electricians from an pool of available people. He has, but doesn't
like to unless he can't find anyone else. I asked "Why?"

He said that the union guys don't like to do a wide range of work and
complain if they have to do something that they normally don't do.

My son-in-law is a straight shooter. He doesn't make **** up.




You got crickets from that post. When he lost, or can't debate, he
runs for the hills.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

True North wrote:
The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".


Maybe you are an idiot who responds without consulting his master/mentor
and ends up presenting himself as a troll. I'm sure this wasn't Harry
approved.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:42:31 -0400, John H.
wrote:

None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Harry, you're up to your old bull****ting ways.

===

It's all he knows.