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Why the silence from JohnH?
On 7/23/2015 8:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities, training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning. Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh? Slow learners, huh? No just that throttling I was talking about. A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are willing to do some book work at night. We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI (residential, commercial and plan review) I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-) Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two did both. Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods. None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example. Bull****. Our local community college has a welding technology program. Come off of a 2 year program, certified welder. My brother could weld already when he went in the SeaBees. They sent him to a 3 week school at I think Lincoln Welders factory. Came out Nuclear certified. Was one of the Welders that built the reactor in the Antarctic back in the 60's. Was just up on Vancouver Island. They have trades courses in high school. They build what are called small houses. 800-1200 ft. Sq. the houses are sold at the end of the year. Are able to be moved. Pass code. Bring back trades in middle and high school. For the 80% who should not or do not want college. Sometimes Harry seems to forget (or ignore) the fact that the vast majority of tradespeople including certified welders, licensed electricians, carpenters and plumbers are *not* union or union trained. My son-in-law is a licensed electrician who started his own business. He's currently attending night school (again) to get his master electrician certification and license. The biggest advantage the master license offers is the number of people he can hire to work for his business. He can currently have a limited number of people working for him (forget how many). I asked him recently how he gets extra help when he's busy and needs it. There are many other licensed electricians that he has met over the time he has had the business and most often one or more of them are available to help. I asked him if he ever hires union electricians from an pool of available people. He has, but doesn't like to unless he can't find anyone else. I asked "Why?" He said that the union guys don't like to do a wide range of work and complain if they have to do something that they normally don't do. My son-in-law is a straight shooter. He doesn't make **** up. |
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