MSNBC is restructuring programing.
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 12:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/24/15 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
When you are dead last in the cable ratings you need to do something.





I'm pretty sure Fox has all the viewers who are no smarter than Brillo pads.

Majority of the voters?


I wouldn't speak to the intelligence of voters generally, but there have
been several studies showing that Fox viewers ain't that bright and I
believe one study showed that the more they watched Fox, the dumber they got.

A problem in this country is that an awfully high percentage of those who
are qualified to vote don't vote. That's been the case, pretty much,
since I became conscious of voting, back when I was a young teenager.

The problem is we have politicians catering to those who would vote public
money to themselves. Seems as if there was a warning about the life of
democracy and public money give away.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:27:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/23/2015 8:15 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.


Harry, there are many ways in which one can become certified at
different levels of welding, including a nuclear certification.
Same holds true for boiler makers, pipe fitters, electricians,
carpenters, plumbers and virtually all trades at all levels.
You don't have to be union to become certified or licensed.


I'll bet the Navy has experts in all of those areas, and none of them went through a
union apprenticeship.

Surprising what one can learn in eight weeks.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:15:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Harry, you're up to your old bull****ting ways.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:32:33 -0400, Justan Olphat wrote:

On 7/23/2015 11:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:49:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Back in the day when I worked for a big circulation daily newspaper

===

Which was what, a summer internship 45 years ago?

There's not enough people in Kansas to support a "big circulation daily"
Besides he was just an obit. copywriter.

I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On 7/24/2015 4:41 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:27:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 7/23/2015 8:15 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.


Harry, there are many ways in which one can become certified at
different levels of welding, including a nuclear certification.
Same holds true for boiler makers, pipe fitters, electricians,
carpenters, plumbers and virtually all trades at all levels.
You don't have to be union to become certified or licensed.


I'll bet the Navy has experts in all of those areas, and none of them went through a
union apprenticeship.

Surprising what one can learn in eight weeks.



I wasn't thinking of the Navy when I posted the above, but you are
certainly correct. Some of the best tradespeople are military trained
.... Navy SeaBees is an excellent example. I worked with them for a
while doing electrical work. I am sure the Army and other service
branches have excellent schools and training programs as well.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:39:07 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:47:20 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:11:36 -0400, wrote:

I know the unions hate the idea of snap together conduit and
preassembled electrical boxes but that is the way the industry is
going. Plumbers are not packing cast iron drain pipe joints with Oakum
and lead and roof trusses come in on trucks from factories instead of
framing rafters with hand cut lumber. It may be sad that we are losing
some of those skills but we are also losing the skill of using a
typewriter, operating a slide rule and navigating with a sextant.
It is not the 20th century anymore.

===

Well said.

It may be that the building trades are going to the assembly line
model because we are trying to reemploy all of those auto workers ;-)

It is interesting when you see the road warriors selling these new
plug and play products. They seem very expensive on the face but when
he starts talking about labor cost and cycle time, they start looking
good to the builders.

CBS has pretty much made the traditional bricklayer obsolete. You can
do "Berlin wall" quality block work if you are insulating and dry
walling the inside and putting 1/2" of stucco on the outside.
All you see is the drywall and stucco finish. That is usually textured
to hide even more defects.
Strength is not much of an issue when you are doweling at least 16% of
the cells and the top 16" is solid concrete with four #5s in it.

Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/23/2015 8:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:57:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a
qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done
via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of
Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?


No just that throttling I was talking about.

A lot of guys will just go get a "helper" job for a contractor and be
ready to sit for the journeyman exam in a year or two if they are
willing to do some book work at night.

We had a little study group on the old Prodigy BBs and several of us
got our inspector certifications for free. Fortunately one of the guys
was Joe Tedesco, a road warrior for IAEI and he pitched us his whole
road show, along with practice questions and assignments. All of us
smoked the IAEI tests and I also knocked out the ICBO and SBCCI
(residential, commercial and plan review)
I was standing in the parking lot in 45 minutes on the 3 hour
residential SBCCI test (100 questions) but it was the 3d time I had
taken that same basic test in less than a year. ;-)

Other guys got their contractors licenses or became inspectors, two
did both.

Old Joe was a "Bastin" guy from up in your neck of the woods.


None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping
for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Bull****. Our local community college has a welding technology program.
Come off of a 2 year program, certified welder. My brother could weld
already when he went in the SeaBees. They sent him to a 3 week
school at I
think Lincoln Welders factory. Came out Nuclear certified. Was one
of the
Welders that built the reactor in the Antarctic back in the 60's.
Was just
up on Vancouver Island. They have trades courses in high school. They
build what are called small houses. 800-1200 ft. Sq. the houses are
sold
at the end of the year. Are able to be moved. Pass code. Bring back
trades in middle and high school. For the 80% who should not or do not
want college.



Sometimes Harry seems to forget (or ignore) the fact that the vast
majority of tradespeople including certified welders, licensed
electricians, carpenters and plumbers are *not* union or union trained.

My son-in-law is a licensed electrician who started his own business.
He's currently attending night school (again) to get his master
electrician certification and license. The biggest advantage the
master license offers is the number of people he can hire to work for
his business.

He can currently have a limited number of people working for him
(forget how many). I asked him recently how he gets extra help when
he's busy and needs it. There are many other licensed electricians that
he has met over the time he has had the business and most often one or
more of them are available to help. I asked him if he ever hires union
electricians from an pool of available people. He has, but doesn't
like to unless he can't find anyone else. I asked "Why?"

He said that the union guys don't like to do a wide range of work and
complain if they have to do something that they normally don't do.

My son-in-law is a straight shooter. He doesn't make **** up.




You got crickets from that post. When he lost, or can't debate, he
runs for the hills.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

True North wrote:
The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".


Maybe you are an idiot who responds without consulting his master/mentor
and ends up presenting himself as a troll. I'm sure this wasn't Harry
approved.

Why the silence from JohnH?
 

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:42:31 -0400, John H.
wrote:

None of that has anything to do with being able to weld the piping for a
pharma manufacturing facility, as just one example.

Harry, you're up to your old bull****ting ways.

===

It's all he knows.