On 7/11/15 7:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:21 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 6:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:24:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an
endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as
"racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is
just trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually
doing jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need
someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything
else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a
tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality
shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of
their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to
apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal
media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up
to speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned
by the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and
available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have
racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter
but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog
whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth
certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting
off topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face'
comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the
usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins
and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony
Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have
been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart
people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd

What does that have to do with Trump's stance on illegal immigrants?



Heheh. Morons. Trump talks about "illegal immigrants" because it fires
up the base GOP voters...like you. He's an exploiter of labor and I am
sure he doesn't give a **** about the country of origin of workers, so
long as they work cheap.




I don't know enough about him to know if your accusations are valid or
not. I am not a Trump fan. However, the discussion was centered on
whether his recent comments can be considered "racist" or not.

Since you want to deflect ... here's what Hillary said about Trump's
comments ... while also addressing Jeb Bush's position on *illegal*
immigrants:

“They don’t want to provide a path to citizenship. They range across a
spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile towards
immigrants.”

John has pointed out the practice of Democrats of leaving out the word
"illegal". Like you, she tries to deflect and misquote. Neither Trump
or Bush have ever expressed such positions. To the contrary.

But while we are on the subject, let's see what Hillary's position on
illegal immigrants was a few years ago .... back when she would use the
word "illegal":

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. We’ve got to do
more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal
immigrants.”




Almost everyone will say they are "against" illegal immigrants. The real
issue is what they want to do about it.

First of all, you again ignored the issue and conveniently overlooked
Hillary's dishonest comments about Trump and Bush.


Trump wants to go after the Mexican government. He's not blaming
Mexican citizens or even the illegal who jump the border. Does that
make him a racist? That is the topic of this discussion.




Trump is reving up the Republican "base" voters, feeding them what he
thinks they want to hear. The Republican base is racist.

As for the Mexican government, what is Trump going to do? Send drones?
And there's no legitimate evidence the Mexican government is sending in
illegals. What do you expect the Mexican government to do? Erect an Iron
Curtain?

Trump wants to win the Iowa GOP primary. I hope he wins all the marbles,
leads the GOP to its worst defeat in history, and splits the party into
bits and pieces.

Is Trump a racist? Matters not. What matters is Trump is *using* racism
to rev up his potential voters.

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:57:09 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/11/15 5:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:38:23 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/11/15 2:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:24:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as "racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is just trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class" who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually doing jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up to speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned by the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting off topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face' comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd

What does that have to do with Trump's stance on illegal immigrants?



Heheh. Morons. Trump talks about "illegal immigrants" because it fires
up the base GOP voters...like you. He's an exploiter of labor and I am
sure he doesn't give a **** about the country of origin of workers, so
long as they work cheap.


His discussion of illegal immigrants should fire up any legal immigrant or citizen,
including you. The more illegals we allow into this country, the cheaper the legal
immigrants will have to work.

Did that ever cross that empty space twixt your ears?



And of course Trump hits the target with old white men racists and
ethnic haters...like you.

When a liberal can't answer a question, what does he do?

You're a f'ing joke, Krause.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:49:15 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/11/15 7:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:21 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 6:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:24:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an
endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as
"racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is
just trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually
doing jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need
someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything
else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a
tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality
shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of
their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to
apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal
media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up
to speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned
by the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and
available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have
racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter
but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog
whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth
certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting
off topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face'
comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the
usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins
and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony
Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have
been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart
people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd

What does that have to do with Trump's stance on illegal immigrants?



Heheh. Morons. Trump talks about "illegal immigrants" because it fires
up the base GOP voters...like you. He's an exploiter of labor and I am
sure he doesn't give a **** about the country of origin of workers, so
long as they work cheap.




I don't know enough about him to know if your accusations are valid or
not. I am not a Trump fan. However, the discussion was centered on
whether his recent comments can be considered "racist" or not.

Since you want to deflect ... here's what Hillary said about Trump's
comments ... while also addressing Jeb Bush's position on *illegal*
immigrants:

“They don’t want to provide a path to citizenship. They range across a
spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile towards
immigrants.”

John has pointed out the practice of Democrats of leaving out the word
"illegal". Like you, she tries to deflect and misquote. Neither Trump
or Bush have ever expressed such positions. To the contrary.

But while we are on the subject, let's see what Hillary's position on
illegal immigrants was a few years ago .... back when she would use the
word "illegal":

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. We’ve got to do
more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal
immigrants.”




Almost everyone will say they are "against" illegal immigrants. The real
issue is what they want to do about it.

First of all, you again ignored the issue and conveniently overlooked
Hillary's dishonest comments about Trump and Bush.


Trump wants to go after the Mexican government. He's not blaming
Mexican citizens or even the illegal who jump the border. Does that
make him a racist? That is the topic of this discussion.




Trump is reving up the Republican "base" voters, feeding them what he
thinks they want to hear. The Republican base is racist.

Ewww. Tin hat time.


As for the Mexican government, what is Trump going to do? Send drones?
And there's no legitimate evidence the Mexican government is sending in
illegals. What do you expect the Mexican government to do? Erect an Iron
Curtain?

Trump wants to win the Iowa GOP primary. I hope he wins all the marbles,
leads the GOP to its worst defeat in history, and splits the party into
bits and pieces.

Is Trump a racist? Matters not. What matters is Trump is *using* racism
to rev up his potential voters.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/11/2015 7:49 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 7:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:21 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 6:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:24:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an
endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about
Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as
"racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is
just trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually
doing jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need
someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything
else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a
tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality
shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of
their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to
apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal
media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up
to speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned
by the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are
especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and
available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have
racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter
but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog
whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth
certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting
off topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save
face'
comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the
usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins
and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony
Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have
been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart
people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd

What does that have to do with Trump's stance on illegal immigrants?



Heheh. Morons. Trump talks about "illegal immigrants" because it fires
up the base GOP voters...like you. He's an exploiter of labor and I am
sure he doesn't give a **** about the country of origin of workers, so
long as they work cheap.




I don't know enough about him to know if your accusations are valid or
not. I am not a Trump fan. However, the discussion was centered on
whether his recent comments can be considered "racist" or not.

Since you want to deflect ... here's what Hillary said about Trump's
comments ... while also addressing Jeb Bush's position on *illegal*
immigrants:

“They don’t want to provide a path to citizenship. They range across a
spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile towards
immigrants.”

John has pointed out the practice of Democrats of leaving out the word
"illegal". Like you, she tries to deflect and misquote. Neither Trump
or Bush have ever expressed such positions. To the contrary.

But while we are on the subject, let's see what Hillary's position on
illegal immigrants was a few years ago .... back when she would use the
word "illegal":

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. We’ve got to do
more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal
immigrants.”




Almost everyone will say they are "against" illegal immigrants. The real
issue is what they want to do about it.

First of all, you again ignored the issue and conveniently overlooked
Hillary's dishonest comments about Trump and Bush.


Trump wants to go after the Mexican government. He's not blaming
Mexican citizens or even the illegal who jump the border. Does that
make him a racist? That is the topic of this discussion.




Trump is reving up the Republican "base" voters, feeding them what he
thinks they want to hear. The Republican base is racist.

As for the Mexican government, what is Trump going to do? Send drones?
And there's no legitimate evidence the Mexican government is sending in
illegals. What do you expect the Mexican government to do? Erect an Iron
Curtain?

Trump wants to win the Iowa GOP primary. I hope he wins all the marbles,
leads the GOP to its worst defeat in history, and splits the party into
bits and pieces.

Is Trump a racist? Matters not. What matters is Trump is *using* racism
to rev up his potential voters.


No, there is nothing he has said or done that categorically classifies
him as a "racist". The progressive leadership of your party is trying
to re-define what a racist person is, as evidenced by the second
sentence of your post above, specifically, "The Republican base is
racist."

Merriam-Webster defines "racism" as:

"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and
capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority
of a particular race".

The liberal, progressive definition of a racist has become "White,
male, middle aged (or over) and Republican".

Dishonest.

On 7/10/2015 11:08 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/15 11:44 AM, amdx wrote:


Ya, let's hope we don't end up with a LEADER,
that stops ILLEGAL immigration, stops the outflow of our industries,
creates policies that brings job growth and develops an environment
where people feel the need to earn their own lifestyle rather than
let others support them.
That would sure be a shame!

Mikek

PS. His comments were on the mark but clumsy, not racist.



You righties sure are in lockstep defending Trump's racist remarks.


Your losing your forte, I expected you to call me a racist.

Mikek

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as "racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is just
trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually doing
jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up to
speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned by
the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting off
topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face' comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd


Your debating skills are getting rusty Harry. The subject under
discussion is whether Trump's recent comments regarding illegal Mexican
immigrants are racist or not.

I haven't seen anyone express "support" for Trump in this newsgroup.
Nice try though.

Lots of people and organizations are calling The Donald a racist. As for
spoken support in this group, what diff does it make?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

On 7/11/2015 11:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as "racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is just
trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually doing
jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up to
speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned by
the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting off
topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face' comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd


Your debating skills are getting rusty Harry. The subject under
discussion is whether Trump's recent comments regarding illegal Mexican
immigrants are racist or not.

I haven't seen anyone express "support" for Trump in this newsgroup.
Nice try though.

Lots of people and organizations are calling The Donald a racist. As for
spoken support in this group, what diff does it make?



Lots of people and organizations ... all on the "left" ... would call me
and anyone else who is not lock step in sync with liberal views or
policies a racist. It's the "in" thing. What diff does it make?

On 7/12/2015 3:03 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 11:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an
endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as "racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is just
trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually doing
jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need
someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a
tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality
shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to
apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal
media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up to
speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned by
the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and
available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter
but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth
certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting off
topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face'
comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony
Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd


Your debating skills are getting rusty Harry. The subject under
discussion is whether Trump's recent comments regarding illegal Mexican
immigrants are racist or not.

I haven't seen anyone express "support" for Trump in this newsgroup.
Nice try though.

Lots of people and organizations are calling The Donald a racist. As for
spoken support in this group, what diff does it make?



Lots of people and organizations ... all on the "left" ... would call me
and anyone else who is not lock step in sync with liberal views or
policies a racist. It's the "in" thing. What diff does it make?



;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Keyser Söze wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as "racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is just
trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually doing
jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything else.
The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.


I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".




You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up to
speed
on GOP "coding."

Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned by
the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.




There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"
Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting off
topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face' comment.


It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd

Your debating skills are getting rusty Harry. The subject under
discussion is whether Trump's recent comments regarding illegal Mexican
immigrants are racist or not.

I haven't seen anyone express "support" for Trump in this newsgroup.
Nice try though.
Lots of people and organizations are calling The Donald a racist. As for
spoken support in this group, what diff does it make?

OK, Hillary.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 7:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:21 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 6:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 2:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 2:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:24:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/15 2:17 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 12:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 12:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2015 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:41:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Disclaimer: In no way is the following comment an
endorsement or
statement of support for Donald Trump. That said:

What did he say that is "racist" in nature? He erroneously
claimed
that
the Mexican government exports criminals, rapists and drug
dealers to
the USA. He didn't say anything derogatory about Mexicans in
general.

He's wrong of course, but I don't see he statement as
"racist".
He's against illegals, but so is the majority of the US
population.



Harry thinks everyone is a racist.
It is just short hand for "I disagree with them".
I totally disagree with the assertion but I think Trump is
just trying
to appeal to the hard hat gang and that crosses racial lines.
I think the anti-immigrant demographic is the "working class"
who feel
their job may be in danger.
The ironic thing is, down here, the Latinos are actually
doing jobs
Americans will not do. When it is 95 in the shade, you need
someone
who is used to working in the heat. Those northern white boys
are not
going to be able to deal with it.
A guy who was raised in central Mexico never knew anything
else.

The Mexicans I've hired and seen working seem to have a
tremendous
work ethic. I've
no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. Just their legality
shows
they're willing
to put forth a lot of effort to get something accomplished.

The illegals? Well, they've already broken the law once.

The liberals would much rather leave the distinction out of
their
comments. Trump
referred to *illegals*, but the liberal media continues to
apply his
comments to
*all* Mexicans. This whole episode is showing how the liberal
media
can inflame a
situation as it desires.



I agree with you. The dishonesty is just written off as being
"politics".






You guys think that Trump is only referring to illegals? Get up
to speed
on GOP "coding."


Is there an official decoder that you use approved and sanctioned
by the
DNC?

Words matter, as you like to remind everyone. They are especially
important in politics because they are usually recorded and
available
for public playback at any time. It's what croaked Romney.





There are lists of words Republican candidates use that have
racial,
ethnic, and gender connotations well-known to the GOP "base" voter
but
which sound innocuous enough. Sometimes they are called "dog
whistle"
words or phrases. Examples: "Where's the original birth
certificate?"
"Death panels" "Urban"

Ad what does your statement have to do with Trump? You're shifting
off topic, Harry. That statement of yours *looks* like a 'save face'
comment.



It warms my heart to see Trump get so much support here from the
usual
right-wing suspects.

Trump, by the way, is a big fan of his fellow bigots, Tony Perkins
and
Ralph Reed:

In 2011 Trump declared, "I recently spoke to Ralph Reed and Tony
Perkins
and I was really impressed, they have great reputations and I have
been
hearing about them for years." He added that they were "smart
people."

http://tinyurl.com/psd4ugd

What does that have to do with Trump's stance on illegal immigrants?



Heheh. Morons. Trump talks about "illegal immigrants" because it fires
up the base GOP voters...like you. He's an exploiter of labor and I am
sure he doesn't give a **** about the country of origin of workers, so
long as they work cheap.




I don't know enough about him to know if your accusations are valid or
not. I am not a Trump fan. However, the discussion was centered on
whether his recent comments can be considered "racist" or not.

Since you want to deflect ... here's what Hillary said about Trump's
comments ... while also addressing Jeb Bush's position on *illegal*
immigrants:

“They don’t want to provide a path to citizenship. They range across a
spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile towards
immigrants.�

John has pointed out the practice of Democrats of leaving out the word
"illegal". Like you, she tries to deflect and misquote. Neither Trump
or Bush have ever expressed such positions. To the contrary.

But while we are on the subject, let's see what Hillary's position on
illegal immigrants was a few years ago .... back when she would use the
word "illegal":

"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. We’ve got to do
more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal
immigrants.�




Almost everyone will say they are "against" illegal immigrants. The real
issue is what they want to do about it.

First of all, you again ignored the issue and conveniently overlooked
Hillary's dishonest comments about Trump and Bush.


Trump wants to go after the Mexican government. He's not blaming
Mexican citizens or even the illegal who jump the border. Does that
make him a racist? That is the topic of this discussion.




Trump is reving up the Republican "base" voters, feeding them what he
thinks they want to hear. The Republican base is racist.

As for the Mexican government, what is Trump going to do? Send drones?
And there's no legitimate evidence the Mexican government is sending in
illegals. What do you expect the Mexican government to do? Erect an Iron Curtain?

Trump wants to win the Iowa GOP primary. I hope he wins all the marbles,
leads the GOP to its worst defeat in history, and splits the party into bits and pieces.

Is Trump a racist? Matters not. What matters is Trump is *using* racism
to rev up his potential voters.

What a racist you are! Bring up racism for everything. Now the Republican
base is all racists according to you. Dumfock. You have Hillary, who is
now pandering to illegal immigration. Even changing her wording. Same
woman who shows a lack of any financial knowledge. A women who with her
husband were both attorneys and pretty much broke until Bill left the
Presidency. Now wants to pay everybody huge a huge salary, regardless of
the jobs worth. Same women who is supporting illegal immigration for
votes, who will not acknowledge that illegals do keep down wages. What
would you do about illegals?