On 7/8/2015 12:07 PM, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 7/8/2015 11:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote:
On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are
heading
north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house
sitter
is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the
world's
problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what
The
Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our
absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ??

Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem attack
and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't hear
from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence?
Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names.



assumptions about addictions that
have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more
correct).

I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials,
Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation?


Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more
correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations"
for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert
knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in
court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in
overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse
and addictions many times.

Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same
time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just
another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your
trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me.

A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your
reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you
mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion.



A friendly suggestion, F O A D. We should be so lucky.

Your wife of 25 years isn't any brighter than the thousands of other nut
cases pretending to be experts in the mental health field. The expertise
is in doling out behavior altering drugs at an alarming rate, when they
should be treating and curing patients. Your knowledge, gleaned from a
unqualified expert, is as useless as tits on a bull. Ya hear?


You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.

On 7/8/2015 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/8/2015 12:07 PM, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 7/8/2015 11:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote:
On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are
heading
north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house
sitter
is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the
world's
problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what
The
Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our
absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ??

Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem
attack
and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't
hear
from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence?
Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names.



assumptions about addictions that
have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more
correct).

I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials,
Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation?


Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more
correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations"
for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert
knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in
court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in
overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse
and addictions many times.

Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same
time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just
another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your
trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me.

A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your
reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you
mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion.



A friendly suggestion, F O A D. We should be so lucky.

Your wife of 25 years isn't any brighter than the thousands of other nut
cases pretending to be experts in the mental health field. The expertise
is in doling out behavior altering drugs at an alarming rate, when they
should be treating and curing patients. Your knowledge, gleaned from a
unqualified expert, is as useless as tits on a bull. Ya hear?


You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


You're thinking about that wet back that snuck back over the border
after being deported 5 times only to murder a woman "by accident". This
was in the news recently.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:37:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/8/2015 12:07 PM, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 7/8/2015 11:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote:
On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are
heading
north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the house
sitter
is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of the
world's
problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and what
The
Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done in our
absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ??

Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem attack
and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we didn't hear
from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence?
Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen names.



assumptions about addictions that
have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more
correct).

I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials,
Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation?


Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are more
correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need "citations"
for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert
knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in
court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in
overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse
and addictions many times.

Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same
time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is "just
another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of your
trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me.

A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your
reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you
mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion.



A friendly suggestion, F O A D. We should be so lucky.

Your wife of 25 years isn't any brighter than the thousands of other nut
cases pretending to be experts in the mental health field. The expertise
is in doling out behavior altering drugs at an alarming rate, when they
should be treating and curing patients. Your knowledge, gleaned from a
unqualified expert, is as useless as tits on a bull. Ya hear?


You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


If addicts had the answer, they would stop



They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:37:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/8/2015 12:07 PM, Justan Olphat wrote:
On 7/8/2015 11:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/8/15, 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:04:01 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 7/8/15, 10:55 AM, wrote:
On 8 Jul 2015 11:56:55 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Enough time cruising on the floating RV for this month, so we are
heading
north and should be back sometime Friday or Saturday. And the
house
sitter
is bored and wants to go home, too. Can't wait to read which of
the
world's
problems the right wingers here have solved in our absence and
what
The
Donald, The Cruz, The Jindal, and The Bush have said and done
in our
absence to ratchet up the hate talk. ??

Your absence was a refreshing break from the rancor, ad hominem
attack
and off topic bull**** prevalent in your posts. In fact we
didn't hear
from "slammer" either which is curious in itself. Coincidence?
Probably not. I suspect it is just another of your many screen
names.



assumptions about addictions that
have little basis in science (well, excluding yours...you're more
correct).

I am citing NIH and NIMH among several others with good credentials,
Richard hasn't cited anyone. Do you have a citation?


Read for content. Your assumptions about addictions, as I said, are
more
correct than several of the others quoted here. I don't need
"citations"
for knowledge about addictions. My wife has 25+ years of expert
knowledge in the field, and has researched, written, and testified in
court as an expert witness about addictions and the difficulties in
overcoming them, and we have discussed the horrors of substance abuse
and addictions many times.

Oh, and your comment that Slammer and I sometimes are here at the same
time is a pullback from your statement that you suspect Slammer is
"just
another of (my) many screen names. Slammer is far more like some of
your
trashy rightie buddies here than he is like me.

A few courses in college-level "Engrish" might do wonders for your
reading comprehension abilities and your abilities to write what you
mean, eh? It's never too late for formal edu-ma-cat-ion.



A friendly suggestion, F O A D. We should be so lucky.

Your wife of 25 years isn't any brighter than the thousands of other
nut
cases pretending to be experts in the mental health field. The
expertise
is in doling out behavior altering drugs at an alarming rate, when they
should be treating and curing patients. Your knowledge, gleaned from a
unqualified expert, is as useless as tits on a bull. Ya hear?


You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


If addicts had the answer, they would stop



They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em.


That's not it. By the time it's effecting their life, they don't "feel
good" anymore. The "addiction" is the need to chase that feeling.
Addictions come in a lot of forms, some folks continually tell
outrageous lies to try to find that feeling...

On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:

You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


If addicts had the answer, they would stop



They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em.


Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do?

In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit
it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is
it?
The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some
people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The
NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome
that they are looking at.



Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the
denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered
mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a
successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say
"successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol
abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they
can even start to think clearly.

It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure
there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the
researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That
doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly
heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns
within a state.

Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others?
Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with
an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices.
The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab
programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions
for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address
the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling
in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment
became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the
reasons he drank.

Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more
prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses.
He has chosen not to drink.

In article ,
says...


You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and
others can't. There must be something different in their physiology.
It certainly goes farther than simple will power.


They call that "can't hold your liquor." A condition discovered perhaps
thousands of years ago without the aid of science. Simple observation.
Those who can't drink responsibly can choose keep drinking, or not.

I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to
be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since
most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package
that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been
to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill..

So you're saying junkies are the fault of our medical system?
The system is responsible for getting people hooked?
Nice passing of the buck. Blame it on the doctors.

On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:

You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


If addicts had the answer, they would stop



They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em.


Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do?

In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit
it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is
it?
The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some
people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The
NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome
that they are looking at.



Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the
denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered
mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a
successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say
"successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol
abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they
can even start to think clearly.

It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure
there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the
researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That
doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly
heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns
within a state.

Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others?
Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with
an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices.
The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab
programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions
for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address
the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling
in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment
became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the
reasons he drank.

Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more
prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses.
He has chosen not to drink.



You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and
others can't. There must be something different in their physiology.
It certainly goes farther than simple will power.

I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to
be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since
most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package
that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been
to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill..

Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!.....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup.

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:17:39 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:

You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


If addicts had the answer, they would stop



They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em.


Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do?

In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit
it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is
it?
The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some
people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The
NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome
that they are looking at.



Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the
denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered
mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a
successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say
"successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol
abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they
can even start to think clearly.

It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure
there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the
researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That
doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly
heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns
within a state.

Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others?
Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with
an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices.
The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab
programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions
for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address
the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling
in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment
became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the
reasons he drank.

Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more
prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses.
He has chosen not to drink.



You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and
others can't. There must be something different in their physiology.
It certainly goes farther than simple will power.

I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to
be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since
most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package
that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been
to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill..

Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup.

Sounds like your "free" medical care is trying to limit your access to pain pills and prosthetic joints. That's what happens when you surrender your choices to government bean-counters.

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:17:00 UTC-3, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/9/2015 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:18:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/8/2015 3:24 PM, wrote:

You are much better off simply asking the abuser if you want to get a
straight answer.


If addicts had the answer, they would stop



They "chose" not to. It's the feel good thing. Just ask 'em.


Any you believe them? This is nothing but something they want to do?

In real life, it is hard to get most substance abusers to even admit
it is a problem but that is not really what we are talking about is
it?
The question is whether this might be a genetic predisposition in some
people and I bet they are going to identify it fairly soon. The
NIH/NIMH people seem to think they already have areas in the genome
that they are looking at.



Greg, substance abusers ... drugs or alcohol ... are famous for the
denials. However, the denials are made while they are in an altered
mental state, meaning high or perpetually drunk. Get them through a
successful detox and then ask them why they do drugs or drink. I say
"successful" detox because not all are effective. For heavy alcohol
abusers it can takes anywhere from a week to a month or more before they
can even start to think clearly.

It's interesting that at first you were very adamant and sure
there is a genetic predisposition to addictions. Now you say the
researchers "seem to think" they have evidence "in some people". That
doesn't explain the exponential rise in drug abuse ... particularly
heroin ... in certain parts of the country .. even in certain towns
within a state.

Are there people who are more prone to becoming an addict than others?
Of course. But I still maintain, after 6 years of daily dealings with
an addict that it is due to social conditioning and lifestyle choices.
The time and money spent on detoxes, private rehab programs, VA rehab
programs, sessions with shrinks (and their automatic prescriptions
for anti-depressant medication) and AA meetings all failed to address
the addiction problem. Actually, all they did was reinforce a feeling
in the person that there is something "wrong" with him. His treatment
became more of a maintenance program rather than a search for the
reasons he drank.

Right now he's doing fine. No more therapy sessions. No more
prescription "feel good" pills. No AA meetings No more excuses.
He has chosen not to drink.



You still have not explained why some people can drink responsibly and
others can't. There must be something different in their physiology.
It certainly goes farther than simple will power.

I already addressed the spike in heroin abuse. "pain pills" seems to
be the "gateway drug" although that is not really a gateway drug since
most pain pills are still basically opium, just in a legal package
that doctors hand out like candy. Virtually every doctor I have been
to in 3 decades has tried to get me to take some kind of pain pill..

Say what?? Mine tells me to tough it out. Right knee is bothering me these days..especially on stairs, and we have three flights in this house. Dragging laundry down and back from the 2nd floor to the basement is a chore. I asked him about an x-ray on it since I had completed my 13 month ordeal on steroids..but he said..what for? It wouldn't do anything for my knee except to tell me how long it might be before I need a manufactured one. D'oh!....since it usually takes 18 months or so to get one, I'd like to get a head start on the lineup.

18 months to get a knee...wow. That socialized medicine is working well for you.

Unreal.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:

18 months to get a knee...wow. That socialized medicine is working well for you.

Unreal.


Dicklicker Donnie has been ON his knees so many times....one is worn out ! PAaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha