On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.�

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

On 6/3/15 10:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the
Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.�

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public schools
as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?



No. There is nothing but "faith" underpinning creationism. It is nothing
more than superstition.

It's the misunderstanding of the word "theory" in "theory of evolution"
that confuses people. It's not a theory in the commonly accepted meaning
of that word.

Evolution is a fact. Creationism is based upon non-factual, non-provable
religious belief.

The teaching of religious beliefs as "historical" or "factual" has no
place in the public schools.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.

On 6/4/15 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.



Hard as it may be to believe, *I* had religious training when I was a
youngster, and read about and was *taught* many of the tales in the
bible, including that nonsense in Genesis about creation. I don't recall
more than two or three kids who accepted the bible as anything other
than a text in which belief in what it stated was based almost entirely
on faith.

I might have been 10 or 11 when I gave up entirely on belief in a
creator. One of the kids down the street was diagnosed with leukemia and
died in a couple of months, despite many efforts to save him. That was
my first sort of direct encounter with death, and when we kids talked
about it, several of us concluded there obviously was no god because if
there was, he/she/it wouldn't let innocent little kids die of horrific
diseases. In junior high and high school I was friends with a kid who
had contracted polio and while he survived, he was left with a limp and
a leg brace. Fortunately, he was a really smart kid in science and math
and there was no doubt he would "make it" in the world, but, again, I
wondered, why would god let a kid contract polio?

God is a construct of man. It isn't the other way around. The bible is a
nice book of mostly fictional stories written, edited, and compiled by
men and turned into beautiful English in the King James version. It's a
great read, for sure, but it isn't reality, history, or science.
It's fiction.

On 6/4/2015 3:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a
dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the
Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public
schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly
taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.



Hard as it may be to believe, *I* had religious training when I was a
youngster, and read about and was *taught* many of the tales in the
bible, including that nonsense in Genesis about creation. I don't recall
more than two or three kids who accepted the bible as anything other
than a text in which belief in what it stated was based almost entirely
on faith.

I might have been 10 or 11 when I gave up entirely on belief in a
creator. One of the kids down the street was diagnosed with leukemia and
died in a couple of months, despite many efforts to save him. That was
my first sort of direct encounter with death, and when we kids talked
about it, several of us concluded there obviously was no god because if
there was, he/she/it wouldn't let innocent little kids die of horrific
diseases. In junior high and high school I was friends with a kid who
had contracted polio and while he survived, he was left with a limp and
a leg brace. Fortunately, he was a really smart kid in science and math
and there was no doubt he would "make it" in the world, but, again, I
wondered, why would god let a kid contract polio?

God is a construct of man. It isn't the other way around. The bible is a
nice book of mostly fictional stories written, edited, and compiled by
men and turned into beautiful English in the King James version. It's a
great read, for sure, but it isn't reality, history, or science.
It's fiction.




None of that matters to those who have faith. You seem to have a hard
time understanding that.

On 6/4/15 3:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2015 3:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a
dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the
Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public
schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly
taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at
home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.



Hard as it may be to believe, *I* had religious training when I was a
youngster, and read about and was *taught* many of the tales in the
bible, including that nonsense in Genesis about creation. I don't recall
more than two or three kids who accepted the bible as anything other
than a text in which belief in what it stated was based almost entirely
on faith.

I might have been 10 or 11 when I gave up entirely on belief in a
creator. One of the kids down the street was diagnosed with leukemia and
died in a couple of months, despite many efforts to save him. That was
my first sort of direct encounter with death, and when we kids talked
about it, several of us concluded there obviously was no god because if
there was, he/she/it wouldn't let innocent little kids die of horrific
diseases. In junior high and high school I was friends with a kid who
had contracted polio and while he survived, he was left with a limp and
a leg brace. Fortunately, he was a really smart kid in science and math
and there was no doubt he would "make it" in the world, but, again, I
wondered, why would god let a kid contract polio?

God is a construct of man. It isn't the other way around. The bible is a
nice book of mostly fictional stories written, edited, and compiled by
men and turned into beautiful English in the King James version. It's a
great read, for sure, but it isn't reality, history, or science.
It's fiction.




None of that matters to those who have faith. You seem to have a hard
time understanding that.


The problem arises not because of their faith, but because they try to
push their religious beliefs on those who believe differently or not at
all.

On 6/4/2015 4:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2015 3:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class,
she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a
dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For
some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the
Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public
schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly
taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument
against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology
class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at
home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.



Hard as it may be to believe, *I* had religious training when I was a
youngster, and read about and was *taught* many of the tales in the
bible, including that nonsense in Genesis about creation. I don't recall
more than two or three kids who accepted the bible as anything other
than a text in which belief in what it stated was based almost entirely
on faith.

I might have been 10 or 11 when I gave up entirely on belief in a
creator. One of the kids down the street was diagnosed with leukemia and
died in a couple of months, despite many efforts to save him. That was
my first sort of direct encounter with death, and when we kids talked
about it, several of us concluded there obviously was no god because if
there was, he/she/it wouldn't let innocent little kids die of horrific
diseases. In junior high and high school I was friends with a kid who
had contracted polio and while he survived, he was left with a limp and
a leg brace. Fortunately, he was a really smart kid in science and math
and there was no doubt he would "make it" in the world, but, again, I
wondered, why would god let a kid contract polio?

God is a construct of man. It isn't the other way around. The bible is a
nice book of mostly fictional stories written, edited, and compiled by
men and turned into beautiful English in the King James version. It's a
great read, for sure, but it isn't reality, history, or science.
It's fiction.




None of that matters to those who have faith. You seem to have a hard
time understanding that.


The problem arises not because of their faith, but because they try to
push their religious beliefs on those who believe differently or not at
all.

Sounds like a familiar theme around here.

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:52:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The problem arises not because of their faith, but because they try to
push their religious beliefs on those who believe differently or not at
all.

Sounds like a familiar theme around here.

===

Touché.

;-)

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:25:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2015 3:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a
dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the
Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public
schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly
taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.



Hard as it may be to believe, *I* had religious training when I was a
youngster, and read about and was *taught* many of the tales in the
bible, including that nonsense in Genesis about creation. I don't recall
more than two or three kids who accepted the bible as anything other
than a text in which belief in what it stated was based almost entirely
on faith.

I might have been 10 or 11 when I gave up entirely on belief in a
creator. One of the kids down the street was diagnosed with leukemia and
died in a couple of months, despite many efforts to save him. That was
my first sort of direct encounter with death, and when we kids talked
about it, several of us concluded there obviously was no god because if
there was, he/she/it wouldn't let innocent little kids die of horrific
diseases. In junior high and high school I was friends with a kid who
had contracted polio and while he survived, he was left with a limp and
a leg brace. Fortunately, he was a really smart kid in science and math
and there was no doubt he would "make it" in the world, but, again, I
wondered, why would god let a kid contract polio?

God is a construct of man. It isn't the other way around. The bible is a
nice book of mostly fictional stories written, edited, and compiled by
men and turned into beautiful English in the King James version. It's a
great read, for sure, but it isn't reality, history, or science.
It's fiction.




None of that matters to those who have faith. You seem to have a hard
time understanding that.

The same "faith" they try to shove down the throats of others. As if
their version has any more validity than the Mormons or the
Scientologists, just because they're ancient.

If there were a god, the Duggars would have been rendered impotent.

On 6/4/2015 4:54 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:25:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2015 3:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:05 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:25:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/3/2015 9:40 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/3/15 9:31 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/3/2015 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she
might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a
dragonfly
on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some
Louisiana *public school* students, their science textbook is the
Bible,
and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the
“creation point of view.”

http://tinyurl.com/q75dhm4

Ah, Louisiana is raising its next generation of ignorant, stupid,
superstitious morons… The bible has no place in the public
schools as a
source of factual material.


Suggest you go read your own link again. They are not primarily
teaching creationism as "the" origin of life. They also teach the
concept of evolution.

Both are presented as theories and creationism is presented as an
argument against the theory of evolution. It's not singularly
taught in
the biology class curriculum.







The bible has no place in the public's schools as "an argument against
the theory of evolution. The ignorant simply do not understand what
"theory" means in the context of evolutionary theory.

Actually, the bible has no place in the public's K-12 schools, other
than a brief mention of it as the underpinning of several religions.


Here's the problem as I see it. These kids are going to public school
and learning the "approved" course of evolution in their biology class.
This makes the federal government and people like yourself happy.

Then, particularly in the south, they learn about creationism at home or
in their Sunday School classes.

They are now confused. Which is the correct story?

Isn't it better to present both as theories that people can make their
own minds up about? Isn't that the purpose of general education?
Why does it have to be only one discussion?

One is a theory, supported by observable science. The other is a
collection of stories that have little if any basis in fact, assuming
facts require the support of evidence.



Hard as it may be to believe, *I* had religious training when I was a
youngster, and read about and was *taught* many of the tales in the
bible, including that nonsense in Genesis about creation. I don't recall
more than two or three kids who accepted the bible as anything other
than a text in which belief in what it stated was based almost entirely
on faith.

I might have been 10 or 11 when I gave up entirely on belief in a
creator. One of the kids down the street was diagnosed with leukemia and
died in a couple of months, despite many efforts to save him. That was
my first sort of direct encounter with death, and when we kids talked
about it, several of us concluded there obviously was no god because if
there was, he/she/it wouldn't let innocent little kids die of horrific
diseases. In junior high and high school I was friends with a kid who
had contracted polio and while he survived, he was left with a limp and
a leg brace. Fortunately, he was a really smart kid in science and math
and there was no doubt he would "make it" in the world, but, again, I
wondered, why would god let a kid contract polio?

God is a construct of man. It isn't the other way around. The bible is a
nice book of mostly fictional stories written, edited, and compiled by
men and turned into beautiful English in the King James version. It's a
great read, for sure, but it isn't reality, history, or science.
It's fiction.




None of that matters to those who have faith. You seem to have a hard
time understanding that.

The same "faith" they try to shove down the throats of others. As if
their version has any more validity than the Mormons or the
Scientologists, just because they're ancient.

If there were a god, the Duggars would have been rendered impotent.



I have people calling me or emailing me just about every day trying to
shove something down my throat. Could be a car dealership, Direct TV,
or one of a hundred other marketeers of services. products or fund raisers.

I am a big boy. I know how to say no.