Why would boaters care about...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:37:31 -0500, Califbill wrote:

True North wrote:
Keyser says...

"3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y or a
jar of Vaseline. "


In the Army it was a lot safer to be middle management. (officer), you
got to stay clean, comfy and safe when the rank and file are out doing
the dangerous fighting.

Don't say that around a lot of retired officers. My buddy is a West
Pointer. A lot of his class died in South East Asia. Other buddy was a
marine officer. 75% of his OCS classed died. Was Harry's beloved LBJ that
cranked up the war and got a lot of good people killed. Course Harry likes
Liars.

I lost a lot of friends from OCS also. I was lucky. I got sent to Germany as a butter
bar and had a chance to learn something before Vietnam.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.



So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2015 05:38:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger
wrote:

My definition of "skilled trades" is the old, traditional union building
trades definition, and includes the various kinds of plumbers,
electricians, bricklayers, carpenters, ironworkers, sheet metal workers,
boilermakers, et cetera. Sort of a limiting definition, but the one I
learned. I passed my journeyman's exam in one of those trades.

So, you never passed a journeyman's exam, as I stated.

I doubt if Wayne B ever had to. Krause, the world doesn't revolve around unions, and union labour. But you wouldn't know that, now would you?

===

I used to work summer jobs in the skilled trades when I was going to
college. They paid well and it was a whole different kind of
education.

Why would boaters care about...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.



So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

No, the do what we say or we will damage you is the Fascism of your unions.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/2015 4:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well
qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when
the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially
when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have
found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when
management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first
cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.






So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

Hardly relevant. Hitler did a lot more than simply outlaw trade unions.

Interesting statistics about unions from Wiki:

"In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7
million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union
was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector
was 6.7%, and for the public sector 35.3%."

The last sentence is the most revealing.

Guess what? Unions remain perfectly legal in the USA as does collective
bargaining and the right to strike (with a few exceptions related to
public safety). It's just that fewer and fewer workers want to be union.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/15 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.



So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

No, the do what we say or we will damage you is the Fascism of your unions.


Oh, right. D'oh.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/15 7:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2015 4:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well
qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when
the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially
when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have
found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when
management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first
cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.






So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

Hardly relevant. Hitler did a lot more than simply outlaw trade unions.

Interesting statistics about unions from Wiki:

"In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7
million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union
was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector
was 6.7%, and for the public sector 35.3%."

The last sentence is the most revealing.

Guess what? Unions remain perfectly legal in the USA as does collective
bargaining and the right to strike (with a few exceptions related to
public safety). It's just that fewer and fewer workers want to be union.




It's not really "want to be."

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/2015 8:25 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 7:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2015 4:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well
qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when
the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially
when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have
found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when
management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first
cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.






So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

Hardly relevant. Hitler did a lot more than simply outlaw trade unions.

Interesting statistics about unions from Wiki:

"In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7
million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union
was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector
was 6.7%, and for the public sector 35.3%."

The last sentence is the most revealing.

Guess what? Unions remain perfectly legal in the USA as does collective
bargaining and the right to strike (with a few exceptions related to
public safety). It's just that fewer and fewer workers want to be union.




It's not really "want to be."


Based on my work experience it is. Unions don't serve the same purpose
they did way back when.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/15 8:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2015 8:25 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 7:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2015 4:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been well
qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when
the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially
when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have
found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when
management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first
cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.






So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

Hardly relevant. Hitler did a lot more than simply outlaw trade unions.

Interesting statistics about unions from Wiki:

"In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7
million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union
was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector
was 6.7%, and for the public sector 35.3%."

The last sentence is the most revealing.

Guess what? Unions remain perfectly legal in the USA as does collective
bargaining and the right to strike (with a few exceptions related to
public safety). It's just that fewer and fewer workers want to be
union.




It's not really "want to be."


Based on my work experience it is. Unions don't serve the same purpose
they did way back when.



Actually, there's more need for them now then there was "way back then,"
what with the wholesaler exportation of manufacturing jobs, the
unfunding and underfunding of pensions, the elimination of pensions and
benefits, the replacement of full time payroll workers with contract
employees with no benefits, the vulture capitalists, the banksters, et
cetera.

Why would boaters care about...
 

On 5/24/2015 8:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 8:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2015 8:25 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 7:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/24/2015 4:24 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 3:13 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 12:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 6:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/23/15 2:09 PM, John H. wrote:

The NEA was courting me with all they had. I must have been
well
qualified. Of
course, I told them to shove it. Oh, the courting stopped when
the 'steward' saw I
was talking new teachers out of joining.

Damn shame.



1. Doubtful if the NEA was courting you very hard, especially
when the
local leaders realized you were just a racist P.O.S.

2. Too bad you weren't in the bargaining unit of one of the more
aggressive unions I did work for in the 1970s. They would have
found you
hanging from a hook in a meat locker.

3. You're a real management puke, the sort of guy that when
management
says bend over, you bend over and hand the managers a tube of
K-Y
or a jar of Vaseline.

So unions are racists from your viewpoint.


What? Your brain has deflated, Bilious.

Autocorrected fascists to racists.



Fascist? What's fascist about "taking care" of scabs and their first
cousins?

Do it my way, or we kill or damage you. Seems a lot illegal.






So, if something is illegal, it is fascist? You're a real student of
history...in 1933, trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while
collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. Hitler
created a "right to work" country.

Hardly relevant. Hitler did a lot more than simply outlaw trade
unions.

Interesting statistics about unions from Wiki:

"In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with
17.7
million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a
union
was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector
was 6.7%, and for the public sector 35.3%."

The last sentence is the most revealing.

Guess what? Unions remain perfectly legal in the USA as does
collective
bargaining and the right to strike (with a few exceptions related to
public safety). It's just that fewer and fewer workers want to be
union.




It's not really "want to be."


Based on my work experience it is. Unions don't serve the same purpose
they did way back when.



Actually, there's more need for them now then there was "way back then,"
what with the wholesaler exportation of manufacturing jobs, the
unfunding and underfunding of pensions, the elimination of pensions and
benefits, the replacement of full time payroll workers with contract
employees with no benefits, the vulture capitalists, the banksters, et
cetera.


Global competition makes doing business far more complex. It's not the
'50's or 60's.