On Thu, 21 May 2015 21:20:24 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2015 18:18:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175 safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700 pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000 miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an 11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html

Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had the
skill set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

===

For what it's worth I was a full fledged member of the Communications
Workers of America at one time in my life (CWA).

You're correct that I've never been an apprentice in the brick layers
union however. How many bricks have you laid, and did you pass the
journeyman's test?

I also belonged to the CWA in 1961. Only thing I got from them was a
deduction from my paycheck. Before I went to work for Western Electric
just out of high school the CWA had a strike against WE. 11 week strike
and settled for what was offered before the strike. And the workers needed
the union? What journeyman test did I need? No test needed. I at least
had to pass a state test for my EIT certification after finishing my
engineering degree.



Who does W'hine, who lives in my bozo bin with his buddy Slammer and
others, think was an apprentice or journeyman in the bricklayer's union?
It's a great union, but I was never an apprentice or journeyman
bricklayer, or a member of that union. W'hine must be smoking more of that bankster weed.

My definition of "skilled trades" is the old, traditional union building
trades definition, and includes the various kinds of plumbers,
electricians, bricklayers, carpenters, ironworkers, sheet metal workers,
boilermakers, et cetera. Sort of a limiting definition, but the one I
learned. I passed my journeyman's exam in one of those trades.

So, you never passed a journeyman's exam, as I stated.

Nope. I passed the EIT test. A lot harder than your whatever journeyman
test. Must not be too hard, as you passed it.

As I said you never passed a journeyman's exam in the skilled trades.

Seeing your financial debacles passing s skilled trade exam did not seem to
help you.

===

You just can't fix stupid. Stupid and arrogant is even worse.

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 8:02:43 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:

Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

And maybe your " bias " towards everything is the cause of you being a ****?

On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175 safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700 pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000 miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an 11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html

Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?

On 5/21/2015 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2015 18:18:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175 safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700 pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000 miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an 11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html

Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had the
skill set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

===

For what it's worth I was a full fledged member of the Communications
Workers of America at one time in my life (CWA).

You're correct that I've never been an apprentice in the brick layers
union however. How many bricks have you laid, and did you pass the
journeyman's test?

I also belonged to the CWA in 1961. Only thing I got from them was a
deduction from my paycheck. Before I went to work for Western Electric
just out of high school the CWA had a strike against WE. 11 week strike
and settled for what was offered before the strike. And the workers needed
the union? What journeyman test did I need? No test needed. I at least
had to pass a state test for my EIT certification after finishing my
engineering degree.



Who does W'hine, who lives in my bozo bin with his buddy Slammer and
others, think was an apprentice or journeyman in the bricklayer's union?
It's a great union, but I was never an apprentice or journeyman
bricklayer, or a member of that union. W'hine must be smoking more of that bankster weed.

My definition of "skilled trades" is the old, traditional union building
trades definition, and includes the various kinds of plumbers,
electricians, bricklayers, carpenters, ironworkers, sheet metal workers,
boilermakers, et cetera. Sort of a limiting definition, but the one I
learned. I passed my journeyman's exam in one of those trades.

So, you never passed a journeyman's exam, as I stated.

Nope. I passed the EIT test. A lot harder than your whatever journeyman
test. Must not be too hard, as you passed it.

As I said you never passed a journeyman's exam in the skilled trades.

Seeing your financial debacles passing s skilled trade exam did not seem to
help you.


It might surprise Krause to learn that some of us don't need or want to
have anything to do with trade unions. Any entity that protects and
coddles slackers can't be all good.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 5/22/2015 5:59 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible
for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175
safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal
records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous
Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of
pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700
pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal
agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part
of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000
miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in
revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment
malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents
resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and
spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a
request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an
11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network
centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as
much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two
weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren
Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which
can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to
the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen
M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html


Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union
pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if
you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an
important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another
example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer
trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not
doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of
management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article
that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the
company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had
the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and
they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point
out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are
incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in
terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?

On a personal level, you are in charge of your own financial affairs.
You have done a miserable job of it. So why is it that you think you
know how others should conduct their business. You aren't exactly a whiz
kid when it comes to morals and ethics either. You're a klutz, a
blowhard and an incompetent writer. So what is it that you excel at?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175 safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700 pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000 miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an 11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html

Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?

Never said they were chattel. But there is a very big problem with unions
and productivity. Take your beloved bricklayers union. When they
designated how much brick one could lay in a day to spread the jobs over
more people. Same problem in other places where workers are taking it very
easy and tell the new guy to not show up the others. And you want
manufacturing jobs in the U.S.? We need to be competitive. You have said
you have a company. Your management seems to be lacking when you have
multiple bankruptcy filings. Or were your workers the problem?

On 5/22/2015 5:59 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible
for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175
safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal
records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous
Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of
pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700
pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal
agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part
of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000
miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in
revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment
malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents
resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and
spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a
request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an
11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network
centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as
much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two
weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren
Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which
can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to
the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen
M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html


Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union
pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if
you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an
important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another
example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer
trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not
doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of
management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article
that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the
company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had
the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and
they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point
out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are
incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in
terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?


Perhaps management's management should share some blame. This part of
the linked article was not included in your cut and paste:

"California's 6,000 miles of oil pipelines are regulated by the U.S.
Department of Transportation and the state fire marshal. Before 2013,
the fire marshal's office managed the 2,000 miles of interstate
pipelines for the federal department, monitoring, inspecting and
reviewing company records. Now, the federal government oversees those
pipelines, including the one that failed this week."

On 5/22/15 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/22/2015 5:59 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible
for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175
safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal
records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous
Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of
pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700
pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal
agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part
of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000
miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in
revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment
malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents
resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the
company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and
spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a
request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an
11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network
centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as
much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two
weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren
Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which
can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to
the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen
M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html



Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union
pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if
you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an
important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another
example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer
trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including
criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not
doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of
management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article
that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the
company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to
denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had
the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and
they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point
out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are
incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in
terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?


Perhaps management's management should share some blame. This part of
the linked article was not included in your cut and paste:

"California's 6,000 miles of oil pipelines are regulated by the U.S.
Department of Transportation and the state fire marshal. Before 2013,
the fire marshal's office managed the 2,000 miles of interstate
pipelines for the federal department, monitoring, inspecting and
reviewing company records. Now, the federal government oversees those
pipelines, including the one that failed this week."





Neither the fire marshal nor the feds ever had or had the resources to
oversee the pipelines, something I am sure you know. We don't even have
enough inspectors at state and federal levels to watch over our food
chains.

On 5/22/15 12:53 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175 safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700 pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000 miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an 11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html

Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?

Never said they were chattel. But there is a very big problem with unions
and productivity. Take your beloved bricklayers union. When they
designated how much brick one could lay in a day to spread the jobs over
more people.


Nonsense. Several decades ago, your hero and intellectual leader, Rush
Limbaugh made similar claims about the building trades unions, and he
was challenged by several of them to provide documentation. Several of
the international union presidents in fact offered to put up a $25000
donation to Limbaugh's favorite charities if he could provide proof, and
suggested he make the same offer to charities if he could not. The
offers were delivered to him by registered mail. He never responded,
because it was just another of his bull**** claims.

Got proof, Bill? Just how many brick or block is a bricklayer "allowed"
to lay in a day?

On 5/22/2015 6:51 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/22/15 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/22/2015 5:59 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 10:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 7:58 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/21/15 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...clean water?

Plains Pipeline, the large Texas-based company responsible
for the pipe
that ruptured in Santa Barbara County, has accumulated 175
safety and
maintenance infractions since 2006, according to federal
records.

A Times analysis of data from the Pipeline and Hazardous
Materials Safety
Administration shows Plains' rate of incidents per mile of
pipe is more
than three times the national average. Among more than 1,700
pipeline
operators listed in a database maintained by the federal
agency, only
four companies reported more infractions than Plains Pipeline.

The company, which transports and stores crude oil, is part
of Plains All
American Pipeline, which owns and operates nearly 18,000
miles of pipe
networks in several states. It reported $43 billion in
revenue in 2014
and $878 million in profit.

The company's infractions involved pump failure, equipment
malfunction,
pipeline corrosion and operator error. None of the incidents
resulted in
injuries. According to federal records, since 2006 the
company's
incidents caused more than $23 million in property damage and
spilled
more than 688,000 gallons of hazardous liquid.

A Plains Pipeline spokesman did not immediately respond to a
request for
comment about its regulatory record.

The spill near Refugio State Beach occurred Tuesday on an
11-mile-long
pipeline that is part of a larger oil transport network
centered in Kern
County. Authorities say the accident may have released as
much as 105,000
gallons of crude oil.


The company said it inspected the pipeline's integrity two
weeks ago. But
the results had not come back before the rupture, Darren
Palmer, Plains'
district manager, said at a news conference.

Before that inspection, the last review of the line, which
can pump up to
6.3 million gallons of oil per day, was in 2012, according to
the company.

Workers manually shut down the pipeline Tuesday when they saw
"abnormalities" in the line, said company spokeswoman Karen
M. Rugaard.
The leak was confirmed two hours later.

For mo


http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...521-story.html




Pretty low profit margin. Maybe too much money going to union
pipe
workers, who are not doing a good job. What would you do if
you were
running the company?



Well, BillyBoy, we know polluting the environment is not an
important
issue to people like you, but perhaps...

1. We can dismiss those "low profit margins" as just another
example of
corporate book cooking.

2. We can insist, somehow, that the company's execs take fewer
trips to
Cabo for "meetings."

3. We can impose and enforce stiffer penalties, including
criminal
prosecution, for certain environmental disasters.

Here's a hint for you, BillyBoy: if the line workers are not
doing their
jobs properly, it is completely and entirely the fault of
management.

Not if a union strikes if you try to fire someone'



Nice try at distraction, but there is nothing in the news article
that
indicates "worker dissatisfaction" is the root cause of the
company in
question's mismanagement.

Further, I always smile at the attempts of you righties to
denigrate
union workers, especially since not one of you have or ever had
the skill
set to pass a journeyman's test in the skilled trades.

Never said anything about dissatisfaction by the workers. Maybe
dissatisfaction by management of bad workers.



Maybe your bias against unionized workers is just blinding you to
management failures at that company.

There most likely are management errors. But why are the union, and
they
most definitely are union workers and the union step up and point
out lack
of maintenance? I am biased against the union workers who are
incompetent
and are kept employed by union coercion.

You have no knowledge of what the workers there did or did not do in
terms
of communicating to management.

Neither do you'


That's right, but management is in charge of the company, and therefore
what happens is management's fault. The role of management is to manage.
Oh, and your bias is against workers exerting themselves collectively,
because when they do, they are more than chattel, eh?


Perhaps management's management should share some blame. This part of
the linked article was not included in your cut and paste:

"California's 6,000 miles of oil pipelines are regulated by the U.S.
Department of Transportation and the state fire marshal. Before 2013,
the fire marshal's office managed the 2,000 miles of interstate
pipelines for the federal department, monitoring, inspecting and
reviewing company records. Now, the federal government oversees those
pipelines, including the one that failed this week."





Neither the fire marshal nor the feds ever had or had the resources to
oversee the pipelines, something I am sure you know. We don't even have
enough inspectors at state and federal levels to watch over our food
chains.


So, the buck stops where?