On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.
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Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.



Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes.

Keyser says...

" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes. "


'ell no!
That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit.
You have to think of the better good for the public at large.

On 4/4/15 6:12 PM, True North wrote:
Keyser says...

" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes. "


'ell no!
That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit.
You have to think of the better good for the public at large.



Well, perhaps he could be restricted to solo flights over the ocean
only. He doesn't need any formal training because, you know, toy plane
flying is very similar in many aspects to real plane flying.

On 4/4/2015 6:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 6:12 PM, True North wrote:
Keyser says...

" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes. "


'ell no!
That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed
carry permit.
You have to think of the better good for the public at large.



Well, perhaps he could be restricted to solo flights over the ocean
only. He doesn't need any formal training because, you know, toy plane
flying is very similar in many aspects to real plane flying.

Posting stolen owl pictures is like producing your own photographic art.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:12:16 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keyser says...

" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes. "


'ell no!
That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit.
You have to think of the better good for the public at large.

Hi Don! Hope you're having a great day.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

True North wrote:
Keyser says...

" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes. "


'ell no!
That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit.
You have to think of the better good for the public at large.


It would? Really, SFB?

On 4/4/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the
entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as
differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering
questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering'
in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose
wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for
the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as
well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel
steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side,
even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform
***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna.
He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from
RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be
true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred
to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small
Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a
wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.



Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes.

Why? There's not a snowballs chance in hell that he would offer you a ride

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:33:25 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 4/4/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the
entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as
differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering
questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering'
in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose
wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for
the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as
well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel
steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side,
even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform
***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna.
He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from
RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be
true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred
to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small
Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a
wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.



Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes.

Why? There's not a snowballs chance in hell that he would offer you a ride

Too close for too long.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:54:33 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.



Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes.

Don't have $10,000 worth of interest.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.