On 4/4/2015 6:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:54:33 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.



Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes.

Don't have $10,000 worth of interest.


Yeah, prices have gone up quite a bit. When I did it back in the mid
90's the total cost for phase 1 (initial instruction leading to solo)
and phase 2 (cross country, test and checkout ride) was only about
$3,500 give or take. It depended on how well you did and how long it
took you to complete it. If you dragged it out like I did it will cost
more because you have to go back and re-practice stuff. Better to put
aside the time and hit it all at once if you can, taking as many lessons
per week as you can.

True North wrote:
Keyser says...

" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes. "


'ell no!
That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit.
You have to think of the better good for the public at large.


It would? Really, SFB?

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:59:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the
entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as
differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering
questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering'
in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose
wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for
the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as
well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel
steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side,
even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform
***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna.
He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from
RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be
true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred
to only the
small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small
Cessna-like
trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a
wingspan of
12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane.

I apologize for all the confusion.



Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real
airplanes.


I'd encourage anyone with an interest in flying ... RC or "real" to
take an introductory lesson. They are inexpensive because the flight
school wants you to get "hooked". Most likely it will be a Cessna
because they are the most popular aircraft used for initial flight
instruction.

In most cases the instructor will go through a brief introductory ground
school and then let you taxi to the runway and take off. You'll fly the
plane around a bit and then he'll talk you through how to fly the
pattern for landing and do pre-landing checklist. He'll do the actual
landing for the intro flight and for the first few if you
decide to continue with lessons.

If you get hooked and continue on ... that's where the fun begins and
*all* similarities to RC flying goes out the window. Power on stalls,
power off stalls, spin recovery, recovery from unusual attitudes while
wearing the "hood" ... plus the more mundane things like clearing turns
and simply trying to find your way back to the airport when you suddenly
realize you don't have a clue where you are. :-)

Sure, you can practice some of those things remotely with an RC plane
while standing on the ground and watching the effects on the RC plane as
you control the flight surfaces and throttle. But it's not the same as
when you are buckled in the seat and experiencing them first hand in the
seat of your pants.


I'd guess not.
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