On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 10:35:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote:
I know there's lots of RC interest here


Not really.

Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will
be steerable by
the nose or tail wheel.



So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is
going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the
general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our
D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me,
and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW
Illinois...


I have to admit ... this is impressive ... steerable nose wheel and all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-13r0Keqw#t=302

Beautiful. The real one had nose wheel steering also.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ef...eering&f=false
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Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-4, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote:
I know there's lots of RC interest here


Not really.

Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will
be steerable by
the nose or tail wheel.



So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is
going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the
general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our
D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me,
and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW
Illinois...

At least as much as pimping clam pizza (yuck) from a place no one in his
right mind would want to visit. Right Suzy?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

You got that right. It sounds nasty.

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:11:13 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.



===

Of course but a B-36 is *is not* a small GA aircraft.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

===

John seems to have his nose (wheel) a bit out of joint on this issue,
not to mention a certain fixation.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-4, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote:
I know there's lots of RC interest here


Not really.

Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will
be steerable by
the nose or tail wheel.



So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is
going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the
general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our
D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me,
and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW
Illinois...

At least as much as pimping clam pizza (yuck) from a place no one in his
right mind would want to visit. Right Suzy?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

You got that right. It sounds nasty.

===

If the subject is not on Harry's approved list then it just doesn't
fly.

Maybe he's a little self centered you think? A lot of putzy people
are like that.

On 4/4/2015 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the
entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as
differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions.
If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering'
in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels
are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for
the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as
well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel
steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side,
even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform
***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He
used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from
RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be
true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.
Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to
suit up and take a dip. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.


--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.