On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:51:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:40:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by
the nose or tail wheel.

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Are you taking a jibe at real planes, most of which are not nose wheel
steerable?

My advice is to give it up.

I think most do have nosewheel steering, unless they're tail-draggers.

Of course, these guys may not know what they're talking about.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/244971/

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their nosewheel steering through the
tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.
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On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

===

John seems to have his nose (wheel) a bit out of joint on this issue,
not to mention a certain fixation.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:28:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.

===

John seems to have his nose (wheel) a bit out of joint on this issue,
not to mention a certain fixation.

I just didn't realize that he was comparing only small, Cessna-like trainers, such as
my Apprentice, to small Cessnas.
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On 4/4/2015 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the
entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as
differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions.
If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering'
in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels
are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for
the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as
well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel
steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side,
even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform
***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He
used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from
RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be
true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.
Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to
suit up and take a dip. ;-)

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I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 4/4/2015 4:46 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:

Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to
suit up and take a dip. ;-)


Most of it has melted or evaporated where it gets sun. Still have large
piles but they have shrunk significantly. The shaded areas still have
about a foot at most but is melting or evaporating quickly now.
Pool is still frozen though.


Another couple of weeks and it should all be gone except maybe in the
shopping area parking lots. There were mounds over 30 feet high in most
of them.

On 4/4/15 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 4:46 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:

Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to
suit up and take a dip. ;-)


Most of it has melted or evaporated where it gets sun. Still have large
piles but they have shrunk significantly. The shaded areas still have
about a foot at most but is melting or evaporating quickly now.
Pool is still frozen though.


Another couple of weeks and it should all be gone except maybe in the
shopping area parking lots. There were mounds over 30 feet high in most
of them.



I drove by Rita's yesterday and noticed it was open. Sure harbinger of
better weather.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their
steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes
available for taxi.

===

Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply
"nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability
to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a
pretty good job of explaining all that.

I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the
two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have
you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning.
Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel?

He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of
their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as
differential brakes available for taxi.

Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through
the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a
rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360.

The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel
steering***.

Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as
part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft.
Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're
not.

Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot.

http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73)

OK, enough said.


I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post.
I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I
had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I
acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose
steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other
large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering.

You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that
replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided
a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why
they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered".

What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive
steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts
used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it.

I give up.


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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.