On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Yes, at a very slow speed, the boat would back to the left only regardless of how you set the rudder, and that provided to be a royal pain in a few cases.

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That issue is known as "prop walk" and it is most apparent at very
slow speed before the boat gains momentum. Prop walk is caused by the
propellor acting as a paddle wheel. Since the prop/paddle wheel
rotation is perpendicular to the center line, a side thrust is created
instead of forward motion. The direction of "walk" depends on the
direction of shaft rotation. Since your boat is walking to the left
we can assume the shaft is rotating counter clockwise in reverse (when
viewed from behind the boat). Remember to think of the prop as a
paddle wheel at low speed. There are other more complicated
explanations for why prop walk occurs but the paddle wheel analogy is
the most intuitive to understand and the easiest to apply to problem
solving.

As Richard pointed out, the rudder has very little effect in reverse
until the boat gains some speed and creates water flow past the
rudder. This is not a problem in forward because the prop creates
plenty of water flow even when the boat is standing still.

Backing up a single engine boat is an art form not a science. Every
boat is a little different but some basic priciples apply. The best
strategy I've found is to apply a quick burst of power in reverse and
then shift immediately into neutral. Once you are in neutral there is
no more prop walk, and if you have built a little speed, you can steer
with the rudder. Sometimes you have to do this more than once.

Another strategy is letting the prop walk work in your favor and just
let the stern "walk" in the direction it wants to go. This implies
some maneuvering room of course.

On 3/18/2015 8:59 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Yes, at a very slow speed, the boat would back to the left only regardless of how you set the rudder, and that provided to be a royal pain in a few cases.

===

That issue is known as "prop walk" and it is most apparent at very
slow speed before the boat gains momentum. Prop walk is caused by the
propellor acting as a paddle wheel. Since the prop/paddle wheel
rotation is perpendicular to the center line, a side thrust is created
instead of forward motion. The direction of "walk" depends on the
direction of shaft rotation. Since your boat is walking to the left
we can assume the shaft is rotating counter clockwise in reverse (when
viewed from behind the boat). Remember to think of the prop as a
paddle wheel at low speed. There are other more complicated
explanations for why prop walk occurs but the paddle wheel analogy is
the most intuitive to understand and the easiest to apply to problem
solving.

As Richard pointed out, the rudder has very little effect in reverse
until the boat gains some speed and creates water flow past the
rudder. This is not a problem in forward because the prop creates
plenty of water flow even when the boat is standing still.

Backing up a single engine boat is an art form not a science. Every
boat is a little different but some basic priciples apply. The best
strategy I've found is to apply a quick burst of power in reverse and
then shift immediately into neutral. Once you are in neutral there is
no more prop walk, and if you have built a little speed, you can steer
with the rudder. Sometimes you have to do this more than once.

Another strategy is letting the prop walk work in your favor and just
let the stern "walk" in the direction it wants to go. This implies
some maneuvering room of course.



Good explanation Wayne. I think many in this newsgroup are probably
familiar with this but it bears repeating sometimes. In cases of close
quarter maneuvering, "neutral" is always your friend. Like many I have
witnessed, it took a while for me to understand this. The natural
tendency of many is to "drive" the boat into the slip, often with
catastrophic results. Learning to relax, shift often to neutral
and let the boat take a "set" given the wind and current is much more
effective.

On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:14:36 PM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/18/2015 8:59 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Yes, at a very slow speed, the boat would back to the left only regardless of how you set the rudder, and that provided to be a royal pain in a few cases.

===

That issue is known as "prop walk" and it is most apparent at very
slow speed before the boat gains momentum. Prop walk is caused by the
propellor acting as a paddle wheel. Since the prop/paddle wheel
rotation is perpendicular to the center line, a side thrust is created
instead of forward motion. The direction of "walk" depends on the
direction of shaft rotation. Since your boat is walking to the left
we can assume the shaft is rotating counter clockwise in reverse (when
viewed from behind the boat). Remember to think of the prop as a
paddle wheel at low speed. There are other more complicated
explanations for why prop walk occurs but the paddle wheel analogy is
the most intuitive to understand and the easiest to apply to problem
solving.

As Richard pointed out, the rudder has very little effect in reverse
until the boat gains some speed and creates water flow past the
rudder. This is not a problem in forward because the prop creates
plenty of water flow even when the boat is standing still.

Backing up a single engine boat is an art form not a science. Every
boat is a little different but some basic priciples apply. The best
strategy I've found is to apply a quick burst of power in reverse and
then shift immediately into neutral. Once you are in neutral there is
no more prop walk, and if you have built a little speed, you can steer
with the rudder. Sometimes you have to do this more than once.

Another strategy is letting the prop walk work in your favor and just
let the stern "walk" in the direction it wants to go. This implies
some maneuvering room of course.



Good explanation Wayne.

Yes to both of you. Very good!


I think many in this newsgroup are probably
familiar with this but it bears repeating sometimes. In cases of close
quarter maneuvering, "neutral" is always your friend. Like many I have
witnessed, it took a while for me to understand this. The natural
tendency of many is to "drive" the boat into the slip, often with
catastrophic results. Learning to relax, shift often to neutral
and let the boat take a "set" given the wind and current is much more
effective.

Neutral and patience. I have seen people 'drive' a boat into a sock. and I do mean DRIVE! They usually were stuck with dock damage fees and kicked out of the marina.

On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:24:47 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:14:36 PM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/18/2015 8:59 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Yes, at a very slow speed, the boat would back to the left only regardless of how you set the rudder, and that provided to be a royal pain in a few cases.

===

That issue is known as "prop walk" and it is most apparent at very
slow speed before the boat gains momentum. Prop walk is caused by the
propellor acting as a paddle wheel. Since the prop/paddle wheel
rotation is perpendicular to the center line, a side thrust is created
instead of forward motion. The direction of "walk" depends on the
direction of shaft rotation. Since your boat is walking to the left
we can assume the shaft is rotating counter clockwise in reverse (when
viewed from behind the boat). Remember to think of the prop as a
paddle wheel at low speed. There are other more complicated
explanations for why prop walk occurs but the paddle wheel analogy is
the most intuitive to understand and the easiest to apply to problem
solving.

As Richard pointed out, the rudder has very little effect in reverse
until the boat gains some speed and creates water flow past the
rudder. This is not a problem in forward because the prop creates
plenty of water flow even when the boat is standing still.

Backing up a single engine boat is an art form not a science. Every
boat is a little different but some basic priciples apply. The best
strategy I've found is to apply a quick burst of power in reverse and
then shift immediately into neutral. Once you are in neutral there is
no more prop walk, and if you have built a little speed, you can steer
with the rudder. Sometimes you have to do this more than once.

Another strategy is letting the prop walk work in your favor and just
let the stern "walk" in the direction it wants to go. This implies
some maneuvering room of course.



Good explanation Wayne.

Yes to both of you. Very good!


I think many in this newsgroup are probably
familiar with this but it bears repeating sometimes. In cases of close
quarter maneuvering, "neutral" is always your friend. Like many I have
witnessed, it took a while for me to understand this. The natural
tendency of many is to "drive" the boat into the slip, often with
catastrophic results. Learning to relax, shift often to neutral
and let the boat take a "set" given the wind and current is much more
effective.

Neutral and patience. I have seen people 'drive' a boat into a sock. and I do mean DRIVE! They usually were stuck with dock damage fees and kicked out of the marina.

" 'drive' a boat into a sock"

Er... "dock" sorry.

On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 6:00:15 PM UTC-7, Wayne. B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Yes, at a very slow speed, the boat would back to the left only regardless of how you set the rudder, and that provided to be a royal pain in a few cases.

===

That issue is known as "prop walk" and it is most apparent at very
slow speed before the boat gains momentum. Prop walk is caused by the
propellor acting as a paddle wheel. Since the prop/paddle wheel
rotation is perpendicular to the center line, a side thrust is created
instead of forward motion. The direction of "walk" depends on the
direction of shaft rotation. Since your boat is walking to the left
we can assume the shaft is rotating counter clockwise in reverse (when
viewed from behind the boat). Remember to think of the prop as a
paddle wheel at low speed. There are other more complicated
explanations for why prop walk occurs but the paddle wheel analogy is
the most intuitive to understand and the easiest to apply to problem
solving.

As Richard pointed out, the rudder has very little effect in reverse
until the boat gains some speed and creates water flow past the
rudder. This is not a problem in forward because the prop creates
plenty of water flow even when the boat is standing still.

Backing up a single engine boat is an art form not a science. Every
boat is a little different but some basic priciples apply. The best
strategy I've found is to apply a quick burst of power in reverse and
then shift immediately into neutral. Once you are in neutral there is
no more prop walk, and if you have built a little speed, you can steer
with the rudder. Sometimes you have to do this more than once.

Another strategy is letting the prop walk work in your favor and just
let the stern "walk" in the direction it wants to go. This implies
some maneuvering room of course.

"Backing up a single engine boat is an art form not a science."

Yes, I found that out. and quickly. before pulling into a different landing than where my boat was slipped, I figured out in advance how to safely and effectually get out of there without harming other boats or whacking a chunk of dock.

Yes, a rudder boat is quite different than IO's.

When I first bought and commissioned the Navigator I was a little
nervous about my boat handling skills, especially since I had gone
from a 28 footer to a 52 footer. To make matters worse the slip I had
in Scituate was right behind a floating fuel dock and I had to back
the boat about 150 feet from where I made the initial turn, passing
within 10-15 feet of the fuel dock (which often had other boats tied up
to it) and into the slip that only had 6 inches of clearance on each side.

Fortunately I hired a very experienced tug boat captain to go out with
me a couple of times and give me some lessons and tips on close quarter
maneuvering. The Navigator was equipped with thrusters but he refused
to let me use them. He's the one who really emphasized the "neutral is
your friend" concept and taught me to back the boat towards the slip in
a series of reverse, neutral, reverse, neutral steps, adjusting as
necessary with the shifters (not the throttles) to keep lined up with
the slip. It was well worth the short money he charged for these lessons.