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open boat self-steering
I'm shopping for a light, open, simple sailboat that I can use for
cruising/camping trips on big lakes and coastal waters. I'm most interested in the 17' designs by Drascombe and Norseboat. http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk http://www.norseboat.com My old 40' sloop had a Monitor windvane - a fantastic piece of equipment. Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? Thanks in advance. |
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The problem with windvane self steering on a small light displacement boat
is the frequent changes of boat trim when the crew moves about.. I have never tried a windvane on such a small boat but have worked with sheet to tiller and other systems in the past. This crew movement was always a problem.. I have read of small boat single handers doing ocean passages and they discribed the same problem. While it is true that a windvane should maintain the course, relative to the wind direction, the changes boat trim is going to still cause problems. However, on a boat with a heavy center board, where crew dispostion isn't critical, it may be possible using some of the simpler methods that have been devised over the years. -- My opinion and experience. FWIW Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Try http://www.uswayfarer.org/ for a 16 footer that has traversed the seas.
RichG -- RichG http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners |
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:33:18 -0800, Arco wrote:
I'm shopping for a light, open, simple sailboat that I can use for cruising/camping trips on big lakes and coastal waters. I'm most interested in the 17' designs by Drascombe and Norseboat. Look for a retired Lightning. http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk http://www.norseboat.com My old 40' sloop had a Monitor windvane - a fantastic piece of equipment. Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? Thanks in advance. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Smoking in a bar is like peeing in a punchbowl. |
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Try the 200$ sailboat
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html#Top On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:33:18 -0800, Arco wrote: I'm shopping for a light, open, simple sailboat that I can use for cruising/camping trips on big lakes and coastal waters. I'm most interested in the 17' designs by Drascombe and Norseboat. http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk http://www.norseboat.com My old 40' sloop had a Monitor windvane - a fantastic piece of equipment. Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? Thanks in advance. |
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Well - I'm not looking for a boat design. Let me try to make myself
more clear. Subject: OPEN BOAT SELF-STEERING Question: Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:23:50 -0500, Barlovento wrote: Try the 200$ sailboat http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html#Top On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:33:18 -0800, Arco wrote: I'm shopping for a light, open, simple sailboat that I can use for cruising/camping trips on big lakes and coastal waters. I'm most interested in the 17' designs by Drascombe and Norseboat. http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk http://www.norseboat.com My old 40' sloop had a Monitor windvane - a fantastic piece of equipment. Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? Thanks in advance. |
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[from a New Zealand site - Boat Books Ltd. ]
WIND-VANE SELF STEERING By Bill Belcher. Pbk, perfect bound, 240mm x 170mm, 128 pages, monochrome plans and tables. This classic book describes the theory, principles and practice of wind vanes for self steering. It tells the blue water sailor how to construct his own wind-vane self steering system, including full working drawings. Wind-vane Self Steering is generally regarded world wide as the definitive work on this topic and currently, as far as we know, is the only such work generally available. NZ$39.95 + Delivery Brian Whatcott Altus OK On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:18:18 -0800, Arco wrote: Well - I'm not looking for a boat design. Let me try to make myself more clear. Subject: OPEN BOAT SELF-STEERING Question: Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:23:50 -0500, Barlovento wrote: Try the 200$ sailboat http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html#Top On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:33:18 -0800, Arco wrote: I'm shopping for a light, open, simple sailboat that I can use for cruising/camping trips on big lakes and coastal waters. I'm most interested in the 17' designs by Drascombe and Norseboat. http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk http://www.norseboat.com My old 40' sloop had a Monitor windvane - a fantastic piece of equipment. Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? Thanks in advance. |
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Try this link.....
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...self%2Dsteerin g&userid=359L8PF8NR Steve Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm |
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Arco ) writes:
Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? The crew weight issue is interesting. I sail a couple of small boats which do not have rudders. There is some resolution of forces based on body weight, boat displacement, sail area, and wind strength which determines whether a boat can be sailed with or without a rudder or wind vane. It should be possible to work it out mathematically. I find it easy (and comfortable) to sit on the bottom of the boat facing forward and steer by leaning from side to side while working the main sheet. When close hauled with the sail pulled in tight I sit still. On a boat the size of a Wayfarer or Albacore (15 ft, 250 lb) I'm sure I'd find that difficut to do. I've done "wet assed" sailing in Albacores. It isn't enough to sit in the middle of the boat, you have to get your weight out over the side. The alternative to "sitting out" is to let out the sails to reduce power. A wind vane will not let out the sails. However if you can depower the sails by reefing, and accept lower speed, it should be possible. Performance would depend on the variability of the wind. Might not work on gusty days. Some cruising sailors simply tie off the tiller with shock cord in steady winds. On a small boat you'd have to tie off the tiller and sit still, like I do in my rudderless boats. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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What type of rudderless boats are you sailing? Spent a long weekend on
the east coast of Spain a few years ago (near Barcelona) and saw their rudderless cats. Wanted to sail on one SOOO badly. There was also a writeup in WB (I think) on those same boat, showed one of them pitch-poling 8-( They were a rather narrow (by Hobie standards) cat. Pirate_Dave In article , William R. Watt wrote: Arco ) writes: Can anyone recommend a good windvane and/or self-steering solution that could be used on a 17' open boat? The crew weight issue is interesting. I sail a couple of small boats which do not have rudders. There is some resolution of forces based on body weight, boat displacement, sail area, and wind strength which determines whether a boat can be sailed with or without a rudder or wind vane. It should be possible to work it out mathematically. I find it easy (and comfortable) to sit on the bottom of the boat facing forward and steer by leaning from side to side while working the main sheet. When close hauled with the sail pulled in tight I sit still. On a boat the size of a Wayfarer or Albacore (15 ft, 250 lb) I'm sure I'd find that difficut to do. I've done "wet assed" sailing in Albacores. It isn't enough to sit in the middle of the boat, you have to get your weight out over the side. The alternative to "sitting out" is to let out the sails to reduce power. A wind vane will not let out the sails. However if you can depower the sails by reefing, and accept lower speed, it should be possible. Performance would depend on the variability of the wind. Might not work on gusty days. Some cruising sailors simply tie off the tiller with shock cord in steady winds. On a small boat you'd have to tie off the tiller and sit still, like I do in my rudderless boats. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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