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John H.[_5_] March 5th 15 09:20 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
....we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Keyser Söze March 5th 15 10:13 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

True North[_2_] March 5th 15 10:45 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:13:07 UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.


Wonder if JohnnyMop tortured the little bunnies before skinning them.
I'd be afraid to ask what he did to hapless villagers he encountered 'in country' during the Viet Nam war.

Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 12:13 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

Tim March 6th 15 12:40 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:13:07 PM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.


I thought it was funny!

No humor today Harry? You shouldn't be such an armchair quarterback

Keyser Söze March 6th 15 12:44 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/5/15 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:13:07 PM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.


I thought it was funny!

No humor today Harry? You shouldn't be such an armchair quarterback



No, Tim, I don't think posts about cruelty to animals, real or imagined
cruelty, are funny.

Besides, with Herring, it seems entirely possible he did try to harass
animals with his .22LR. He sure seems the type.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Tom Nofinger March 6th 15 05:44 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 4:40:37 PM UTC-8, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:13:07 PM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.


I thought it was funny!

No humor today Harry? You shouldn't be such an armchair quarterback


Krause has no humour, but oddly, has mentioned that he enjoys having sharp objects stuck up his ass.

How strange.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 01:11 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?

--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 01:13 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:40:37 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:13:07 PM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.


I thought it was funny!

No humor today Harry? You shouldn't be such an armchair quarterback


Yup, you were right. Both of 'em jumped!

I'd like to see someone good enough to hit the tips of a deer antler, especially when
the bugger was running!

--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 01:35 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.



Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 01:50 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.






Keyser Söze March 6th 15 02:08 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people. I'd be willing to bet these folks when in the safety of
their little world use the "n" word to describe black folks, the "k"
word to describe jews, the "c" word to describe women, and so on and so
forth.

The hatred runs deep in them.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 02:27 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


You must have missed this:

"You said that you steered by using the brakes. Although it can be done that way, I
think you might be getting something confused. As wrecksum said, the C-172 has
nosewheel steering which is operated by depressing the rudder pedals. You also have
independant/differential braking which is applied by pressing on the top of each
rudder pedal. It's poor form to go around taxiing with your feet on the top of the
pedal. It's all too easy to end up dragging one or both of the brakes. I also tell my
students to keep their heels on the floor and only raise them off of the floor when
they need to apply the brakes. Like others have said, it will all come together with
just a little practice. Enjoy your training."

Notice there's no mention of 'newer' models. Also, the steering rod parts are
virtually identical for old and new models. I'm thinking your instructor must have
had you pushing on only the top portion of the rudder pedals.

Actually, the steering of the Cessna 172 and the steering of my RC airplane are very
similar. Rudder input activates the rudder and the nosewheel.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 02:31 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.

I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 02:35 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 9:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


You must have missed this:

"You said that you steered by using the brakes. Although it can be done that way, I
think you might be getting something confused. As wrecksum said, the C-172 has
nosewheel steering which is operated by depressing the rudder pedals. You also have
independant/differential braking which is applied by pressing on the top of each
rudder pedal. It's poor form to go around taxiing with your feet on the top of the
pedal. It's all too easy to end up dragging one or both of the brakes. I also tell my
students to keep their heels on the floor and only raise them off of the floor when
they need to apply the brakes. Like others have said, it will all come together with
just a little practice. Enjoy your training."

Notice there's no mention of 'newer' models. Also, the steering rod parts are
virtually identical for old and new models. I'm thinking your instructor must have
had you pushing on only the top portion of the rudder pedals.

Actually, the steering of the Cessna 172 and the steering of my RC airplane are very
similar. Rudder input activates the rudder and the nosewheel.


At slow taxiing speeds the Cessna 150, 152's and 172's that I flew were
"steered" by differential application of brakes. Only used rudders when
speed was up for take off and obviously while in the air.

I've never flown your particular RC airplane, so I don't have a clue how
you steer it, nor do I care much.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 02:36 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people. I'd be willing to bet these folks when in the safety of
their little world use the "n" word to describe black folks, the "k"
word to describe jews, the "c" word to describe women, and so on and so
forth.

The hatred runs deep in them.


What words have you got on your mind, Krause?
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 02:45 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.


'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 02:54 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).



Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.




Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 02:56 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?



John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 02:59 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:35:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


You must have missed this:

"You said that you steered by using the brakes. Although it can be done that way, I
think you might be getting something confused. As wrecksum said, the C-172 has
nosewheel steering which is operated by depressing the rudder pedals. You also have
independant/differential braking which is applied by pressing on the top of each
rudder pedal. It's poor form to go around taxiing with your feet on the top of the
pedal. It's all too easy to end up dragging one or both of the brakes. I also tell my
students to keep their heels on the floor and only raise them off of the floor when
they need to apply the brakes. Like others have said, it will all come together with
just a little practice. Enjoy your training."

Notice there's no mention of 'newer' models. Also, the steering rod parts are
virtually identical for old and new models. I'm thinking your instructor must have
had you pushing on only the top portion of the rudder pedals.

Actually, the steering of the Cessna 172 and the steering of my RC airplane are very
similar. Rudder input activates the rudder and the nosewheel.


At slow taxiing speeds the Cessna 150, 152's and 172's that I flew were
"steered" by differential application of brakes. Only used rudders when
speed was up for take off and obviously while in the air.


You're forgetting the nose wheel. *Both* the rudder and the nose wheel were activated
by the rudder pedal.

I've never flown your particular RC airplane, so I don't have a clue how
you steer it, nor do I care much.


Well guess what - even the Cessna 150 had a nose wheel steered with the rudder
pedals.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 03:01 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).



Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 03:04 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:56:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?


Absolutely! I simply found your steering comments, as you were highlighting the
differences between 'real' and 'RC', somewhat strange. A bit unbelievable.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 03:18 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 10:04 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:56:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?


Absolutely! I simply found your steering comments, as you were highlighting the
differences between 'real' and 'RC', somewhat strange. A bit unbelievable.



You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the challenges
of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy.



True North[_2_] March 6th 15 03:28 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the challenges
of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy."


SNERK!
You've really stroked Johnny's OCD. He'll go on for days now. ;-)

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 03:44 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:18:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 10:04 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:56:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?


Absolutely! I simply found your steering comments, as you were highlighting the
differences between 'real' and 'RC', somewhat strange. A bit unbelievable.



You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the challenges
of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy.


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."

--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 03:45 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 07:28:39 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the challenges
of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy."


SNERK!
You've really stroked Johnny's OCD. He'll go on for days now. ;-)


Do you have something to add, or is your nose plugged again?
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Mr. Luddite March 6th 15 03:51 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 10:44 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:18:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 10:04 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:56:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?


Absolutely! I simply found your steering comments, as you were highlighting the
differences between 'real' and 'RC', somewhat strange. A bit unbelievable.



You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the challenges
of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy.


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."



Figures.



John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 04:03 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:55:46 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people.



I apologize if I was insensitive to Chinese Communists.
Maybe Chairman Mao was a hero to you but me, not so much.


I believe the politically correct term these days is 'ChiComs'.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 04:04 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:51:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."



Figures.


:)
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Keyser Söze March 6th 15 04:38 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/15 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people.



I apologize if I was insensitive to Chinese Communists.
Maybe Chairman Mao was a hero to you but me, not so much.



The "Ch" word you used is a derogatory term to anyone of Chinese
ancestry, and its use long predates the advent of Chinese Communists,
and even the birth of Mao Zedong.

I don't know where you grew up, but in the little town in which I grew
up, I was taught to know better than to use those sorts of "descriptors"
for Chinese people, and the other words some of you boys like to use to
negatively describe people of color, Polish people, women, gays, Jews,
et cetera.





--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Keyser Söze March 6th 15 04:40 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/15 10:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 10:44 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:18:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/6/2015 10:04 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:56:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with
our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running
'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless
antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're
impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that
even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose
geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php


I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this.
They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking
lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you
want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to
respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will
easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little
brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even
(straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the
wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for
you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the
plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the
pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?


Absolutely! I simply found your steering comments, as you were
highlighting the
differences between 'real' and 'RC', somewhat strange. A bit
unbelievable.



You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the challenges
of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy.


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice
article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and
requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that
way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real
golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble
Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies
because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before,"
he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."



Figures.



I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Johnny has a computer "shoot 'em
up" game in which he can practice his "marksmanship" on Latinos, blacks,
women, Jews, liberals, et cetera," and end the game feeling as if he
really killed them.

"They're just so realistic," just like flying a model plane is the same
as flying a real plane.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 04:47 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:38:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/6/15 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people.



I apologize if I was insensitive to Chinese Communists.
Maybe Chairman Mao was a hero to you but me, not so much.



The "Ch" word you used is a derogatory term to anyone of Chinese
ancestry, and its use long predates the advent of Chinese Communists,
and even the birth of Mao Zedong.

I don't know where you grew up, but in the little town in which I grew
up, I was taught to know better than to use those sorts of "descriptors"
for Chinese people, and the other words some of you boys like to use to
negatively describe people of color, Polish people, women, gays, Jews,
et cetera.


How's your back doing, Krause?
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Keyser Söze March 6th 15 04:54 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/15 11:47 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:38:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/6/15 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people.


I apologize if I was insensitive to Chinese Communists.
Maybe Chairman Mao was a hero to you but me, not so much.



The "Ch" word you used is a derogatory term to anyone of Chinese
ancestry, and its use long predates the advent of Chinese Communists,
and even the birth of Mao Zedong.

I don't know where you grew up, but in the little town in which I grew
up, I was taught to know better than to use those sorts of "descriptors"
for Chinese people, and the other words some of you boys like to use to
negatively describe people of color, Polish people, women, gays, Jews,
et cetera.


How's your back doing, Krause?



Just fine, and unlike you right wingers, I don't find it necessary or
even funny to make fun of people or put them down because of their
country of origin, ethnicity, skin color, or gender, all the aspects of
people over which they have no control.

Oh, and I don't get a woodie over killing small, defenseless animals, or
joking about shooting them.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Wayne.B March 6th 15 05:17 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:54:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I don't find it necessary or
even funny to make fun of people or put them down


===

Now that in itself is pretty funny. You've got to be kidding of
course. You make fun of anyone who doesn't think like you and that
takes in a huge amount of territory.

By the way, what is the politically correct name for an asshat?

Wayne.B March 6th 15 05:27 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:01:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


===

If you are looking for a low tax, gun friendly, golf friendly state,
it's really hard to beat Florida.

Justan Olphart March 6th 15 05:42 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 9:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people. I'd be willing to bet these folks when in the safety of
their little world use the "n" word to describe black folks, the "k"
word to describe jews, the "c" word to describe women, and so on and so
forth.

The hatred runs deep in them.


What words have you got on your mind, Krause?

Harry sure has a boatload of pejoratives in his vocabulary.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."



John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 06:54 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:17:47 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:54:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I don't find it necessary or
even funny to make fun of people or put them down


===

Now that in itself is pretty funny. You've got to be kidding of
course. You make fun of anyone who doesn't think like you and that
takes in a huge amount of territory.

By the way, what is the politically correct name for an asshat?


Glad I read yours before responding.

He spends so much energy patting himself on the back that it's got to be sore.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 06:57 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:27:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:01:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


===

If you are looking for a low tax, gun friendly, golf friendly state,
it's really hard to beat Florida.


That's what we're getting to be thinking. One son-in-law works for Boeing now and is
considering moving to Melbourne. Having lived in the Cocoa/Cocoa Beach neck of the
woods for a couple years, I can do without the beach proximity. The latest AMA mag
has an ad in it for Ocala - On Top of the World. And, they advertise having 'your own
RC Flying Field!
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 06:59 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:42:35 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people. I'd be willing to bet these folks when in the safety of
their little world use the "n" word to describe black folks, the "k"
word to describe jews, the "c" word to describe women, and so on and so
forth.

The hatred runs deep in them.


What words have you got on your mind, Krause?

Harry sure has a boatload of pejoratives in his vocabulary.


I'm guessing 'nice', 'kind', and 'cute'. Don't know what's running through that mind
of his.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 07:03 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:51:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:44:31 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."



We have a WII machine and I never thought of it as being like any real
game. To start with, you don't get to move around much. It is nothing
like the 5 or 6 mile walk you get chasing a golf ball. For me that is
more like a steeple chase, jumping over creeks and climbing through
the brush.
I do have an idea for a video game that is connected to a real
exercise machine so you are actually working the muscles you would in
the real thing. The first one that springs to mind is to put slotted
wheel sensors on a rowing machine and interface them through a mouse
port. Then you just need the right software.
For that matter you could just put a slotted wheel sensor on the 2
main pulleys in a Bow Flex. Simply reading your Email or playing
solitaire would give you quite a workout. Any game you play with a
mouse would work.
I am really surprised the exercise machine people have not hooked up
with a PC guy.


At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.


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