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[email protected] March 6th 15 07:40 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).



Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)

True North[_2_] March 6th 15 08:20 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:03:29 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:51:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:44:31 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."



We have a WII machine and I never thought of it as being like any real
game. To start with, you don't get to move around much. It is nothing
like the 5 or 6 mile walk you get chasing a golf ball. For me that is
more like a steeple chase, jumping over creeks and climbing through
the brush.
I do have an idea for a video game that is connected to a real
exercise machine so you are actually working the muscles you would in
the real thing. The first one that springs to mind is to put slotted
wheel sensors on a rowing machine and interface them through a mouse
port. Then you just need the right software.
For that matter you could just put a slotted wheel sensor on the 2
main pulleys in a Bow Flex. Simply reading your Email or playing
solitaire would give you quite a workout. Any game you play with a
mouse would work.
I am really surprised the exercise machine people have not hooked up
with a PC guy.


At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.


....or buy your own, you cheap #$@%$#.
I have a PaceMaster Bronze. Bought it just after I retired and use it 3 times a week.

True North[_2_] March 6th 15 08:22 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:40:32 UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)



Say what??
That would be $9K up here.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 08:40 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:40:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)


I thought I read SC had the highest marginal tax rate in the country. I guess I'll
just have to sit down and calculate it. Might prove interesting.

In NC, my Army retirement pay and my wife's fed retirement pay would be excluded from
state income tax.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 08:43 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:20:32 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:03:29 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:51:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:44:31 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."


We have a WII machine and I never thought of it as being like any real
game. To start with, you don't get to move around much. It is nothing
like the 5 or 6 mile walk you get chasing a golf ball. For me that is
more like a steeple chase, jumping over creeks and climbing through
the brush.
I do have an idea for a video game that is connected to a real
exercise machine so you are actually working the muscles you would in
the real thing. The first one that springs to mind is to put slotted
wheel sensors on a rowing machine and interface them through a mouse
port. Then you just need the right software.
For that matter you could just put a slotted wheel sensor on the 2
main pulleys in a Bow Flex. Simply reading your Email or playing
solitaire would give you quite a workout. Any game you play with a
mouse would work.
I am really surprised the exercise machine people have not hooked up
with a PC guy.


At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.


...or buy your own, you cheap #$@%$#.
I have a PaceMaster Bronze. Bought it just after I retired and use it 3 times a week.


When there's no snow on the ground I play golf - get my 5-6 miles in that way. Only
need one when there's snow on the ground. Not worth the money or storage for a decent
one. The gym's not that expensive.

No need to call names.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 6th 15 08:44 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:22:15 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:40:32 UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)



Say what??
That would be $9K up here.


Well, that $8700 difference is what you're paying for your 'free' medical care!
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Someone March 7th 15 02:44 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 10:04 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:56:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with
our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running
'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless
antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're
impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that
even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php


I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They
have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking
lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you
want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to
respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will
easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little
brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even
(straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind
is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you,
ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the
plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the
pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?


Absolutely! I simply found your steering comments, as you were
highlighting the
differences between 'real' and 'RC', somewhat strange. A bit
unbelievable.



You like playing golf ... enough so that you pay greens fees everytime
you go and obviously have acquired all the necessary equipment,
fundamental skill sets and are familiar with the rules to play.

Considering your fascination with flying toy airplanes, why not invest
in a copy of "Mario Golf: World Tour" instead?
You could save lots of $$ in the long run and still enjoy the
challenges of golfing on a Nitendo gameboy.


If I didn't know better I would have thought Harry typed that.

Someone March 7th 15 02:47 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
True North wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:40:32 UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.
'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.

I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).

Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.

It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)


Say what??
That would be $9K up here.

Your "free" healthcare isn't so "free"...


Someone March 7th 15 02:49 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:22:15 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:40:32 UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.
'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.

I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).

Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.
It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)


Say what??
That would be $9K up here.

Well, that $8700 difference is what you're paying for your 'free' medical care!


Damn, you beat me to it.


Tim March 7th 15 03:25 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 4:44:50 PM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 7:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 2:13:07 PM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/15 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:
...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


If that reminiscence is true, it explains a lot about you. And if it
isn't, it also explains a lot about you.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.


I thought it was funny!

No humor today Harry? You shouldn't be such an armchair quarterback



No, Tim, I don't think posts about cruelty to animals, real or imagined
cruelty, are funny.

Me neither. I pop 'em and drop 'em because they're tasty!

John H.[_5_] March 7th 15 11:42 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 21:49:42 -0500, Someone wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:22:15 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:40:32 UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!


How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.
'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.

I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).

Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.
It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)

Say what??
That would be $9K up here.

Well, that $8700 difference is what you're paying for your 'free' medical care!


Damn, you beat me to it.


Maybe the 'a ha' light is turning on for him.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

John H.[_5_] March 7th 15 11:46 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 23:16:42 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:43:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--


This is just the machine talking to you tho. there is no feedback from
you to the machine.


Yup, you're right. It would be more fun if I could pick the terrain and the route and
just go. Then they'd have to have the handlebars providing input to the computer.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

KC March 7th 15 04:13 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/6/2015 11:16 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:43:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--


This is just the machine talking to you tho. there is no feedback from
you to the machine.


I think I noted we had the same machines only you could hook them
together and actually ride or race with a partner that is visible on
your screen when they are ahead of you.

KC March 7th 15 04:14 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/7/2015 9:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 06:46:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 23:16:42 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:43:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--

This is just the machine talking to you tho. there is no feedback from
you to the machine.


Yup, you're right. It would be more fun if I could pick the terrain and the route and
just go. Then they'd have to have the handlebars providing input to the computer.


The two technologies exist. I just haven't seen them put together.
If the video game people would hook up with the exercise machine
people, they would have something.


That's what I am saying, it's here now. We have it at our gym..

Califbill March 8th 15 07:28 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:40:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with
our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers
on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.


It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a
vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)


I thought I read SC had the highest marginal tax rate in the country. I guess I'll
just have to sit down and calculate it. Might prove interesting.

In NC, my Army retirement pay and my wife's fed retirement pay would be excluded from
state income tax.


I would figure California was among the highest.

Califbill March 8th 15 07:28 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
True North wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2015 15:03:29 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:51:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:44:31 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Funny you should mention that. The March Golf Digest has a nice article about
'virtual golf'. The Nintendo Wii version even promotes activity and requires a
'decent' swing.

But, I'm into golf primarily for the exercise and playing with friends.

However, I would never put down those who wanted to play the game that way. From the
article, there are a lot of similarities between virtual golf and real golf. One of
the quotes in the article from an individual who'd played the Pebble Beach virtual
game to prepare for the real thing:

"It was an incredible, weird feeling. I started correcting the caddies because I
already knew the angles, because it's like I had seen it all before," he says. "Those
games, they're just so realistic."


We have a WII machine and I never thought of it as being like any real
game. To start with, you don't get to move around much. It is nothing
like the 5 or 6 mile walk you get chasing a golf ball. For me that is
more like a steeple chase, jumping over creeks and climbing through
the brush.
I do have an idea for a video game that is connected to a real
exercise machine so you are actually working the muscles you would in
the real thing. The first one that springs to mind is to put slotted
wheel sensors on a rowing machine and interface them through a mouse
port. Then you just need the right software.
For that matter you could just put a slotted wheel sensor on the 2
main pulleys in a Bow Flex. Simply reading your Email or playing
solitaire would give you quite a workout. Any game you play with a
mouse would work.
I am really surprised the exercise machine people have not hooked up
with a PC guy.


At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.


...or buy your own, you cheap #$@%$#.
I have a PaceMaster Bronze. Bought it just after I retired and use it 3 times a week.


Maybe you should use it more. My United Healthcare plan gives me a gym
membership.

Califbill March 8th 15 07:53 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 06:46:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 23:16:42 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:43:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

At the gym, the bicycle machines have 'routes' where you watch the video and you
climb through the woods, go downhill, etc, and the pedalling gets harder and softer
as you go. But, I don't like bicycling. On the treadmill I read. It seems like every
year lately there are more and more days with snow cover - keeping the golf courses
closed. Might have to sign up at the gym again, just for the treadmill.
--

This is just the machine talking to you tho. there is no feedback from
you to the machine.


Yup, you're right. It would be more fun if I could pick the terrain and the route and
just go. Then they'd have to have the handlebars providing input to the computer.


The two technologies exist. I just haven't seen them put together.
If the video game people would hook up with the exercise machine
people, they would have something.


I think I read something on that a few months ago.

Justan Olphart March 8th 15 10:46 AM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
On 3/8/2015 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:40:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with
our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers
on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.

It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a
vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)


I thought I read SC had the highest marginal tax rate in the country. I guess I'll
just have to sit down and calculate it. Might prove interesting.

In NC, my Army retirement pay and my wife's fed retirement pay would be excluded from
state income tax.


I would figure California was among the highest.

I'm sure it is. It takes a lot of other peoples money to provide all the
handouts that liberal states are so proud of providing. :-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."



Califbill March 8th 15 08:04 PM

Hey Tim, remember when...
 
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/8/2015 3:28 AM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:40:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:01:36 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:54:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with
our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were
scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers
on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.


My wife and I were recently looking at Charleston, SC. Then I looked at the state
income taxes. Damn. SC doesn't give a lot of breaks.

It's not that bad. And unlike a lot of places, SC caps sales tax on a
vehicle at $300. A new $60k Audi? $300 in sales tax. :)

I thought I read SC had the highest marginal tax rate in the country. I guess I'll
just have to sit down and calculate it. Might prove interesting.

In NC, my Army retirement pay and my wife's fed retirement pay would be excluded from
state income tax.


I would figure California was among the highest.

I'm sure it is. It takes a lot of other peoples money to provide all the
handouts that liberal states are so proud of providing. :-)



I read the other day, 1/3 of the state is on the dole.


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