Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people. I'd be willing to bet these folks when in the safety of
their little world use the "n" word to describe black folks, the "k"
word to describe jews, the "c" word to describe women, and so on and so
forth.

The hatred runs deep in them.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


You must have missed this:

"You said that you steered by using the brakes. Although it can be done that way, I
think you might be getting something confused. As wrecksum said, the C-172 has
nosewheel steering which is operated by depressing the rudder pedals. You also have
independant/differential braking which is applied by pressing on the top of each
rudder pedal. It's poor form to go around taxiing with your feet on the top of the
pedal. It's all too easy to end up dragging one or both of the brakes. I also tell my
students to keep their heels on the floor and only raise them off of the floor when
they need to apply the brakes. Like others have said, it will all come together with
just a little practice. Enjoy your training."

Notice there's no mention of 'newer' models. Also, the steering rod parts are
virtually identical for old and new models. I'm thinking your instructor must have
had you pushing on only the top portion of the rudder pedals.

Actually, the steering of the Cessna 172 and the steering of my RC airplane are very
similar. Rudder input activates the rudder and the nosewheel.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.

I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On 3/6/2015 9:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


You must have missed this:

"You said that you steered by using the brakes. Although it can be done that way, I
think you might be getting something confused. As wrecksum said, the C-172 has
nosewheel steering which is operated by depressing the rudder pedals. You also have
independant/differential braking which is applied by pressing on the top of each
rudder pedal. It's poor form to go around taxiing with your feet on the top of the
pedal. It's all too easy to end up dragging one or both of the brakes. I also tell my
students to keep their heels on the floor and only raise them off of the floor when
they need to apply the brakes. Like others have said, it will all come together with
just a little practice. Enjoy your training."

Notice there's no mention of 'newer' models. Also, the steering rod parts are
virtually identical for old and new models. I'm thinking your instructor must have
had you pushing on only the top portion of the rudder pedals.

Actually, the steering of the Cessna 172 and the steering of my RC airplane are very
similar. Rudder input activates the rudder and the nosewheel.


At slow taxiing speeds the Cessna 150, 152's and 172's that I flew were
"steered" by differential application of brakes. Only used rudders when
speed was up for take off and obviously while in the air.

I've never flown your particular RC airplane, so I don't have a clue how
you steer it, nor do I care much.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:08:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/6/15 8:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our
.22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause
they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on
the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed
with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.


Some of the righties here are more than a bit strange, e.g., this animal
joke and the other day someone used a pejorative word to describe
Chinese people. I'd be willing to bet these folks when in the safety of
their little world use the "n" word to describe black folks, the "k"
word to describe jews, the "c" word to describe women, and so on and so
forth.

The hatred runs deep in them.

What words have you got on your mind, Krause?
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On 3/6/2015 9:31 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:50:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?


You're right. I didn't get it. I've never shot or even tried to shoot
an animal.

And no, I don't get excited shooting at paper targets at the range
either. I do so occasionally only to maintain my familiarity with the
guns and to sharpen my aim should it ever be necessary to use one in
self-defense.

Actually, I am thinking of getting rid of all the guns except one. Each
gun shoots differently, some more accurately than others. For my
purposes and interests it would probably be better to have just one
gun that shoots the most accurately and stay familiar with it.
Right now, that would be the Walther pistol however I actually prefer
a revolver like the little .38 Chief's Special. No fiddling around
loading a round in the chamber. Just aim and shoot.

I don't really have a need to "carry" anymore, so the small Sig has no
real purpose. The Ruger SR22 pistol just sits in the safe. Rarely use
it. Might have another handgun that I've forgotten about... have to
check the safe.

Still have a shotgun that I've never fired or even loaded and the
Ruger 10/22 rifle.

My wife's favorite is the Chief's Specail, although she does like the P938 also. Of
course her accuracy with the CS on SA is much better than with the P938.


I like the Kimber .45. I can shoot it better than any of the others. Save the guns
for your grandkids. By the time they're old enough, you should know them well enough
to transfer them (legally of course).


Nope. While I am still kicking I'll either sell/transfer them to
licensed individuals as allowed by state law or to a FFL dealer.
Note: In MA, that means the firearm now becomes uniquely registered to
the new, licensed owner.

If I kick the bucket the only one who will inherit any firearms I have
is my son in South Carolina, assuming he wants them. He took the time
and effort to attend a lengthy (2 month) safety course with his wife
that far exceeds the mandatory but simple 5 hour course required for a
permit in MA. I have already made my wishes documented on where they
go. If he doesn't want them they will be turned in to the local police
department for disposal.

My other son has no interest in guns and they scare the crap out of my
daughter.

If grandkids want guns ... they can go take the required courses, pass
the background checks, qualify like anyone else and go buy their own.

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On 3/6/2015 9:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


Here's another instructor:

"Here are some things I tell my students-
1. Take it slow, don't taxi fast.
2. Keep both feet on the rudder pedals.
3. Try to make the smallest input required to get the response you want.
4. Lead the inputs, the plane does take a little bit of time to respond to inputs due
to the spring setup in the nosewheel steering linkage.
5. The airplane is a big weathervane, so when it windy, it will easily turn into the
wind, but will be hard to turn away for it, may even take a little brake pressure in
the desired direction of turn.
6. Taxiing with a crosswind means the rudder pedals won't be even (straight), you
will have to hold a bit of pressure opposite the direction the wind is coming from.
7. If full rudder input doesn't make the turn tight enough for you, ease in a little
brake pressure on the same side you are turning. You can pivot the plane around one
wheel, but makes it a big eraser and leaves a lot of rubber on the pavement, so take
it easy on super-tight turns."



You just won't give up, will you. Fly your RC airplanes anyway you
want. I don't care. If it's ok with you, I'll fly (when I do) a
real airplane the way I was taught. Ok?

Hey Tim, remember when...
 

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 09:35:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:35:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/6/2015 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:13:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/5/2015 4:20 PM, John H. wrote:

...we were kids and would shoot the tip off a deer antler with our .22's? Damn, that
was fun. But, the most fun was when they took off running 'cause they were scared,
and then we shot off the rest of the tips.

I wonder how many hunters killed a deer and found tipless antlers on the damn thing!



How sporting. I assume you posted this just to get attention.

'Twas an 'in' joke. You'd not get it. But I'll bet you're impressed with circled
pencil holes on cardboard, yes?

BTW, here's an interesting ad. It might lead one to believe that even the Cessna 172,
not to mention the A-P (or later) versions, had steerable nose geer.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...ingrods172.php

I think your instructor was pulling your leg. Interesting, huh?



I think you must have missed my previous comment about this. They have
a spring loaded nose gear that allows the wheel to turn while making
turns. They are not ... (or at least weren't when I was taking lessons
in the older models) directly "steerable" by the pilot.


You must have missed this:

"You said that you steered by using the brakes. Although it can be done that way, I
think you might be getting something confused. As wrecksum said, the C-172 has
nosewheel steering which is operated by depressing the rudder pedals. You also have
independant/differential braking which is applied by pressing on the top of each
rudder pedal. It's poor form to go around taxiing with your feet on the top of the
pedal. It's all too easy to end up dragging one or both of the brakes. I also tell my
students to keep their heels on the floor and only raise them off of the floor when
they need to apply the brakes. Like others have said, it will all come together with
just a little practice. Enjoy your training."

Notice there's no mention of 'newer' models. Also, the steering rod parts are
virtually identical for old and new models. I'm thinking your instructor must have
had you pushing on only the top portion of the rudder pedals.

Actually, the steering of the Cessna 172 and the steering of my RC airplane are very
similar. Rudder input activates the rudder and the nosewheel.


At slow taxiing speeds the Cessna 150, 152's and 172's that I flew were
"steered" by differential application of brakes. Only used rudders when
speed was up for take off and obviously while in the air.

You're forgetting the nose wheel. *Both* the rudder and the nose wheel were activated
by the rudder pedal.

I've never flown your particular RC airplane, so I don't have a clue how
you steer it, nor do I care much.

Well guess what - even the Cessna 150 had a nose wheel steered with the rudder
pedals.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.