On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:44:10 -0500, wrote:

On 28 Feb 2015 16:51:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:20:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:16:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:54:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...vote for Republican candidates:

A majority of Republicans nationally support establishing
Christianity as the national religion, according to a new Public Policy
Polling survey released Tuesday.

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of
Republicans “support establishing Christianity as the national religion”
while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not sure.

The irony is rich. Many Republican activists like to describe themselves
as “Constitutional Conservatives,” but under the Constitution – at least
in this country – the very idea of a national religion is antithetical
to the American tradition. Indeed, the opening words of the Bill of
Rights explicitly say, “Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion.”

There’s nothing “conservative” about a theocratic agenda in which one
faith tradition is endorsed by the government above all other belief
systems.

But this week, it wasn’t just the poll results that highlighted the
problem. A county Republican Party in Idaho pushed a resolution that
intended to identify Idaho as a “formally and specifically declared a
Christian state.” One local activist told reporters, “We’re a Christian
community in a Christian state and the Republican Party is a Christian
party.”

The resolution was ultimately defeated by the state party, but the fact
that it was considered, and enjoyed a fair amount of support, was
unsettling for supporters of church-state separation.

Read more at:

http://tinyurl.com/k4l7fh2

Strange as it might seem to you, I agree this was a dumb idea


It's not just a dumb idea for Idaho. Establishing christianity as the
national religion is an idea the majority of GOPers favor, and it isn't
the only bad exclusionary idea Republicans want to push onto everyone.

I agree we should not have a national religion but if the citizens of
Idaho want one, it is their business.
The 1st amendment says "congress" not the local government.
I don't see you in Idaho anyway. What difference does it make to you?



Creep. Not you. The legislation. If it passes in Idaho, it's going to be
on the agenda in Texas, South Carolina, Kansas, et cetera.

Republican exclusionism. It sucks.

Those are all places you say you will never go to anyway. What's it to
you?
I am sure they feel the same way about how Maryland infringes on your
2d amendment rights.
That is why we are 50 states and not one monoculture.

Maryland is infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights? How?

Limiting what you can buy and the hoops you have to jump through to
buy what you can.

How is some legislator in Idaho making a symbolic gesture that
reflects the beliefs of his residents, "congress" making a law?

I look at things like this to be about as significant as making the
bald eagle the american bird. They don't make you buy one and keep it
as a pet.

Is it a symbolic gesture if a state adopts sharia law, judaic law,
hindi law?

Are you serious? Have you seen how these lunatics "interpret" the
bible? Once a religion is sanctified as "official" you don't think
the fundies would have a field day in the state house legislature?

Come on, really?

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:51:49 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:16:49 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:44:10 -0500, wrote:

On 28 Feb 2015 16:51:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:20:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:16:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:54:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...vote for Republican candidates:

A majority of Republicans nationally support establishing
Christianity as the national religion, according to a new Public Policy
Polling survey released Tuesday.

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of
Republicans “support establishing Christianity as the national religion”
while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not sure.

The irony is rich. Many Republican activists like to describe themselves
as “Constitutional Conservatives,” but under the Constitution – at least
in this country – the very idea of a national religion is antithetical
to the American tradition. Indeed, the opening words of the Bill of
Rights explicitly say, “Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion.”

There’s nothing “conservative” about a theocratic agenda in which one
faith tradition is endorsed by the government above all other belief
systems.

But this week, it wasn’t just the poll results that highlighted the
problem. A county Republican Party in Idaho pushed a resolution that
intended to identify Idaho as a “formally and specifically declared a
Christian state.” One local activist told reporters, “We’re a Christian
community in a Christian state and the Republican Party is a Christian
party.”

The resolution was ultimately defeated by the state party, but the fact
that it was considered, and enjoyed a fair amount of support, was
unsettling for supporters of church-state separation.

Read more at:

http://tinyurl.com/k4l7fh2

Strange as it might seem to you, I agree this was a dumb idea


It's not just a dumb idea for Idaho. Establishing christianity as the
national religion is an idea the majority of GOPers favor, and it isn't
the only bad exclusionary idea Republicans want to push onto everyone.

I agree we should not have a national religion but if the citizens of
Idaho want one, it is their business.
The 1st amendment says "congress" not the local government.
I don't see you in Idaho anyway. What difference does it make to you?



Creep. Not you. The legislation. If it passes in Idaho, it's going to be
on the agenda in Texas, South Carolina, Kansas, et cetera.

Republican exclusionism. It sucks.

Those are all places you say you will never go to anyway. What's it to
you?
I am sure they feel the same way about how Maryland infringes on your
2d amendment rights.
That is why we are 50 states and not one monoculture.

Maryland is infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights? How?

Limiting what you can buy and the hoops you have to jump through to
buy what you can.

How is some legislator in Idaho making a symbolic gesture that
reflects the beliefs of his residents, "congress" making a law?

I look at things like this to be about as significant as making the
bald eagle the american bird. They don't make you buy one and keep it
as a pet.

Is it a symbolic gesture if a state adopts sharia law, judaic law,
hindi law?


That is not what they were saying. I didn't see any specific
legislation, just a resolution that Idaho wanted to call themselves a
christian state. It is better than "famous potatoes" I guess.


Are you serious? Have you seen how these lunatics "interpret" the
bible? Once a religion is sanctified as "official" you don't think
the fundies would have a field day in the state house legislature?

Come on, really?

I think it is silly but it is ****ing Idaho. Have you ever been to
Idaho?

I have spent a good deal of time in Idaho but mostly in the civilized
parts. Boise is a sweet little city, college town. Ketchum and Sun
Valley are lovely in winter and summer. There are both good and bad
parts of the state, with some of the nastiest racists concentrated
more toward the panhandle. Even in those parts there are good folks
who can't stand the racists.

Lotta yahoos in Idaho, for sure.

On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:16:28 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 01:00:10 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:51:49 -0500, wrote:

?

I think it is silly but it is ****ing Idaho. Have you ever been to
Idaho?

I have spent a good deal of time in Idaho but mostly in the civilized
parts. Boise is a sweet little city, college town. Ketchum and Sun
Valley are lovely in winter and summer. There are both good and bad
parts of the state, with some of the nastiest racists concentrated
more toward the panhandle. Even in those parts there are good folks
who can't stand the racists.

Lotta yahoos in Idaho, for sure.

My point exactly and when the United States was established, the
intent was that you could have a state full of yahoos. That was the
intent of the 9th and 10th amendments.

Notice that the 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law". It is
silent on what state legislatures do.

There's also a very strong statement about separation of church and
state in the original document. One would hope states would be wise
enough to use that as a guiding principle, eh?

On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 11:21:52 -0800, jps wrote:

BTW, did you see this?

Woman kills home invading sex offender, KLTV, Tyler, Texas, 02/10/15

A woman was at her Van Zandt County, Texas home when she became aware of a man
attempting to gain access to the house through a side door. The woman retrieved a gun
and shot and killed the intruder.

It was later determined by local media outlet KLTV that the home invader was a
suspect in an arson investigation earlier in the week, had an extensive criminal
record, and had only recently been released from the county jail on charges of
failing to register as a sex offender.

Van Zandt County Sheriff Lindsay Ray expressed his support for the armed citizen,
stating, “Presently, as the result of underfunding and inadequate staffing at the Van
Zandt County Sheriff's Office, homeowners need to take appropriate precautions to
protect their families. I will continue to support the law abiding citizens of our
community when they are forced to take actions to protect their lives, liberty and
property.” (KLTV, Tyler, Texas, 02/10/15)


I immediately thought how great it was the woman had a gun and knew how to use it.
I'm sure you felt the same way, no?
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Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 3/3/15 2:51 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 11:21:52 -0800, jps wrote:

BTW, did you see this?

Woman kills home invading sex offender, KLTV, Tyler, Texas, 02/10/15

Well, then, you probably should stay away from Tyler, Texas.




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