Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 9:40 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:59:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though.

My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views
is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the
literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back
then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the
literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind
open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was
written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence
provided by science.

Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue.



I am not sure I was ever told the earth was 6000-8000 years old. Even
in the "in god we trust" 50s, we still learned that dinosaurs were
millions of years ago and that man evolved from other primates.
Maybe it was because the Smithsonian was a 20 minute streetcar ride
downtown and a regular once or twice a year field trip from about the
2d grade on. I doubt that you could take 20 2d graders on public
transit these days without a police escort.

(DC never had school buses)



We learned the same thing up here in bum**** CT.. and our teachers
didn't even drawl believe it or not.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:20:47 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


I don't have a clue, either, but I've read some of the theories. There
is much in the field of astrophysics I don't understand...okay, most of
it...but that doesn't mean I am going to attribute what I don't know or
understand to the supernatural.

Harry, nobody is asking you to believe it but that still doesn't mean
you have the right to **** on people who do.

I think cap and trade is as stupid as throwing virgins in the volcano
but I understand it is a belief system among some uninformed people.




Same with Global Taxing er, um... warming....

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:40:19 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:59:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though.

My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views
is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the
literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back
then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the
literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind
open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was
written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence
provided by science.

Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue.



I am not sure I was ever told the earth was 6000-8000 years old. Even
in the "in god we trust" 50s, we still learned that dinosaurs were
millions of years ago and that man evolved from other primates.
Maybe it was because the Smithsonian was a 20 minute streetcar ride
downtown and a regular once or twice a year field trip from about the
2d grade on. I doubt that you could take 20 2d graders on public
transit these days without a police escort.

(DC never had school buses)


In years of Catholic school education, I never heard that either. Heard it here, from
Harry, the first time.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out.

===

What if she actually did?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang" theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang" theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/15 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.



Who created your god?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.