Back to the drawing board ....
 

Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 2:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

Thanks...been reading some rumblings about this, but your cite was the
clearest I've seen

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Maybe we'll learn in afterlife.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Maybe we'll learn in afterlife.



The only "afterlife" you're going to have is as worm food.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

===

One thing we know for su The universe(s) is/are a very strange
thing. It sometimes seems that the more we know, the more we don't
know. Our very existence is something of a miracle and the various
religions and scientists of the world will be arguing creation
scenarios for a long time to come.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed


When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I
quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that
means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I
lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means.

There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth.
There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy.
There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies.
Who knows how many we can't see.

Mind blowing.

"God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no
beginning.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed


When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I
quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that
means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I
lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means.

There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth.
There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy.
There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies.
Who knows how many we can't see.

Mind blowing.

"God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no
beginning.




"God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth.
Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of
people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do
now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will."

They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain
mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy.

If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children
to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some
god.

We have nothing but each other. Believing in the spiritual or
supernatural today is no different than the ancient Egyptians believing
in their gods made of stone.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.



The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are
expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous
image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think
sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.



The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are
expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous
image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think
sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219


It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator.
There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that
evidences a god.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 6:59 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed


When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I
quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that
means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I
lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means.

There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth.
There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy.
There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies.
Who knows how many we can't see.

Mind blowing.

"God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no
beginning.




"God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth.
Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of
people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do
now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will."

They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain
mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy.

If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children
to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some
god.

We have nothing but each other.

Or, why did you and others let so many of those children die because you
refused to pay your taxes, which, in part, pay for medical research.


--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:01:02 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.



The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are
expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous
image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think
sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219

"I think sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding."

I didn't realize harry was blind.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.



The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are
expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous
image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think
sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219



It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator.
There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that
evidences a god.

OR NOT! The more you spin the deeper you get.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 6:59 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed


When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I
quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that
means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I
lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means.

There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth.
There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy.
There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies.
Who knows how many we can't see.

Mind blowing.

"God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no
beginning.




"God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth.
Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of
people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do
now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will."

They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain
mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy.

If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children
to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some
god.

We have nothing but each other. Believing in the spiritual or
supernatural today is no different than the ancient Egyptians believing
in their gods made of stone.



Now it's time for you to be scolded about reading for content.
I didn't say I have "given up looking for the truth".
All I said was "God did it" has just about as much validity as a
universe with no beginning ... mainly because I can't mentally
comprehend either concept. I doubt many can if they are honest.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:59 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed


When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I
quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that
means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I
lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means.

There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth.
There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy.
There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies.
Who knows how many we can't see.

Mind blowing.

"God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no
beginning.




"God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth.
Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of
people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do
now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will."

They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain
mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy.

If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children
to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some
god.

We have nothing but each other. Believing in the spiritual or
supernatural today is no different than the ancient Egyptians believing
in their gods made of stone.



Now it's time for you to be scolded about reading for content.
I didn't say I have "given up looking for the truth".
All I said was "God did it" has just about as much validity as a
universe with no beginning ... mainly because I can't mentally comprehend
either concept. I doubt many can if they are honest.

God did it is an intellectual cop out for a scientist.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.



The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are
expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous
image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think
sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219



It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator.
There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that
evidences a god.


It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though.

My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views
is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the
literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back
then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the
literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind
open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was
written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence
provided by science.

Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/15 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.


"god did it"

Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.

:)

It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post.
You really are obsessed



There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip,
zilch, nada.



The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are
expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous
image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think
sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219




It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator.
There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that
evidences a god.


It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though.

My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views
is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the
literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back
then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the
literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind
open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was
written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence
provided by science.

Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue.




I don't have a clue, either, but I've read some of the theories. There
is much in the field of astrophysics I don't understand...okay, most of
it...but that doesn't mean I am going to attribute what I don't know or
understand to the supernatural.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

One could also state that there is no "proof" that God does not exist

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:48:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Mind blowing.

"God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no
beginning.

===

It certainly is mind blowing.

Most of the "god" problem seems to stem from a desire to assign
intelligent, benovelent, anthropomorphic characteristics. That's just
a bit of human presumptuousness in my opinion.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 9:40 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:59:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though.

My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views
is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the
literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back
then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the
literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind
open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was
written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence
provided by science.

Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue.



I am not sure I was ever told the earth was 6000-8000 years old. Even
in the "in god we trust" 50s, we still learned that dinosaurs were
millions of years ago and that man evolved from other primates.
Maybe it was because the Smithsonian was a 20 minute streetcar ride
downtown and a regular once or twice a year field trip from about the
2d grade on. I doubt that you could take 20 2d graders on public
transit these days without a police escort.

(DC never had school buses)



We learned the same thing up here in bum**** CT.. and our teachers
didn't even drawl believe it or not.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/27/2015 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:20:47 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:


I don't have a clue, either, but I've read some of the theories. There
is much in the field of astrophysics I don't understand...okay, most of
it...but that doesn't mean I am going to attribute what I don't know or
understand to the supernatural.

Harry, nobody is asking you to believe it but that still doesn't mean
you have the right to **** on people who do.

I think cap and trade is as stupid as throwing virgins in the volcano
but I understand it is a belief system among some uninformed people.




Same with Global Taxing er, um... warming....

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:40:19 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:59:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though.

My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views
is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the
literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back
then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the
literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind
open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was
written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence
provided by science.

Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue.



I am not sure I was ever told the earth was 6000-8000 years old. Even
in the "in god we trust" 50s, we still learned that dinosaurs were
millions of years ago and that man evolved from other primates.
Maybe it was because the Smithsonian was a 20 minute streetcar ride
downtown and a regular once or twice a year field trip from about the
2d grade on. I doubt that you could take 20 2d graders on public
transit these days without a police escort.

(DC never had school buses)


In years of Catholic school education, I never heard that either. Heard it here, from
Harry, the first time.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out.

===

What if she actually did?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang" theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8 billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang" theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/15 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.



Who created your god?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 7:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/1/15 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the
things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted
event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems
beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer
to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.



Who created your god?


Never said I had one or even believed in one. All I said was that when
it comes to guessing what the origins of the universe is, "god" is just
as valid as anything science has to offer ... yet.

The concept of a god serves many people. It provides an answer to some
to the ultimate unknown and provides many with a sense of peace and
comfort when facing adversities and death. It's amazing to me how
people who were never particularly religious in their lives develop an
acceptance of a god when in their final, lucid hours of life.

I only get religious when flying commercially.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/15 8:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 7:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/1/15 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the
things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted
event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems
beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out
there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of
our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer
to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds,
the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.



Who created your god?


Never said I had one or even believed in one. All I said was that when
it comes to guessing what the origins of the universe is, "god" is just
as valid as anything science has to offer ... yet.

The concept of a god serves many people. It provides an answer to some
to the ultimate unknown and provides many with a sense of peace and
comfort when facing adversities and death. It's amazing to me how
people who were never particularly religious in their lives develop an
acceptance of a god when in their final, lucid hours of life.

I only get religious when flying commercially.








No, it isn't. Science, at least, is striving for answers, coming up with
theories, some plausable, some less so, to find the answers. Claiming
that god did it is simply giving up on the ultimate ability of humans to
find those answers.

The "modern" concept of god really isn't much different than stone age
mans'...that there is some sort of entity "out there" (a rock, a tree,
the sun, a statue, a being who made man in his image, et cetera), who is
somehow responsible for "the big stuff," such as the sun rising in the
morning. After a few thousand years of evolution, man knew enough to
realize that solar/planetary motions were the result of physics, and not
the product of a god's whim or will.

Once again, to claim there is a god/creator is an intellectual cop-out.
We may not have the answer yet, but intelligent men and women are trying
to find it. We should insist that "god did it" and give up the search?

Which god is that? Ra? A tree? Michelangelo's god?

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 9:21 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/1/15 8:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 7:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/1/15 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the
things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted
event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems
beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more
questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out
there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual
abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of
our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer
to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and
the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds,
the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is
just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.



Who created your god?


Never said I had one or even believed in one. All I said was that when
it comes to guessing what the origins of the universe is, "god" is just
as valid as anything science has to offer ... yet.

The concept of a god serves many people. It provides an answer to some
to the ultimate unknown and provides many with a sense of peace and
comfort when facing adversities and death. It's amazing to me how
people who were never particularly religious in their lives develop an
acceptance of a god when in their final, lucid hours of life.

I only get religious when flying commercially.








No, it isn't. Science, at least, is striving for answers, coming up with
theories, some plausable, some less so, to find the answers. Claiming
that god did it is simply giving up on the ultimate ability of humans to
find those answers.

The "modern" concept of god really isn't much different than stone age
mans'...that there is some sort of entity "out there" (a rock, a tree,
the sun, a statue, a being who made man in his image, et cetera), who is
somehow responsible for "the big stuff," such as the sun rising in the
morning. After a few thousand years of evolution, man knew enough to
realize that solar/planetary motions were the result of physics, and not
the product of a god's whim or will.

Once again, to claim there is a god/creator is an intellectual cop-out.
We may not have the answer yet, but intelligent men and women are trying
to find it. We should insist that "god did it" and give up the search?

Which god is that? Ra? A tree? Michelangelo's god?

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?



There's a lot about the universe that we have learned since the caveman
days but we are no closer to understanding how it all began than we did
when we were dragging our wives back to the cave by their hair.

A religious based explanation remains just as valid as any unproven
scientific theory.

Note: I am referring to the *origins* of the universe ... not the fact
that mankind determined the earth isn't flat or the make-up of our or
other solar systems and galaxies.

The concept that the universe simply always existed is beyond our feeble
minds to comprehend. We may accept the words as an explanation but we
can't grasp what it means. Sorta like believing in a god.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:21:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?

===

Why not indeed? A little tolerance goes along way. You are just as
prejudiced against religion as some people are over racial issues. As
long as no one is forcing you to convert, or holding prayer meetings
on your front lawn, live and let live.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:55:36 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:21:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?

===

Why not indeed? A little tolerance goes along way. You are just as
prejudiced against religion as some people are over racial issues. As
long as no one is forcing you to convert, or holding prayer meetings
on your front lawn, live and let live.

Harry's words - "My positions on religion are not aimed at individuals here."

When asked why he posted them here, he wouldn't answer. Cowardly.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 9:55 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:21:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?

===

Why not indeed? A little tolerance goes along way. You are just as
prejudiced against religion as some people are over racial issues. As
long as no one is forcing you to convert, or holding prayer meetings
on your front lawn, live and let live.


I have seen evidence of God.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:44:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

There's a lot about the universe that we have learned since the caveman
days but we are no closer to understanding how it all began than we did
when we were dragging our wives back to the cave by their hair.

A religious based explanation remains just as valid as any unproven
scientific theory.

Note: I am referring to the *origins* of the universe ... not the fact
that mankind determined the earth isn't flat or the make-up of our or
other solar systems and galaxies.

The concept that the universe simply always existed is beyond our feeble
minds to comprehend. We may accept the words as an explanation but we
can't grasp what it means. Sorta like believing in a god.

===

You're right. The vast size and the distances involved make it
unlikly that we will ever understand more than a small piece of the
puzzle. Something bad will happen to life as we know it before we
even get close. Even our own galaxy is incredibly vast and it is just
one of billions that are out there.

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds, the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including Harry.


The creator did it.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 9:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 9:21 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/1/15 8:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 7:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/1/15 5:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/1/2015 3:24 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/28/2015 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:03:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:31:08 -0800, jps
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:58:36 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Big Bang just a bunch of bunk?

Universe has no beginning?

Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible,
just like modern day descriptions of black holes.

http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html

This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the
things we
can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as
provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted
event
13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed
universe
theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will
collapse
back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce"
theory. It
also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems
beyond
what we call our universe, doing the same thing.

One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more
questions we
bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out
there
than we ever suspected before.

Gobsmacked by "god did it" as in any way comparable to bang and
entropy.

Why do you so easily go over the edge into the intellectual
abyss?

I am simply pointing out that when we have reached the limits of
our
science, one theory is as valid as another. What do you think was
here
before the big bang? "Nothing" or even an inert singularity is as
closed minded as "god did it" Saying the universe is only 13.8
billion
years old is as dumb as saying it is 8000. That would only refer
to a
few events in an infinitely long history.


When we reach the limits of our science, we try to extend those
limits.
Saying "god did it" is an intellectual cop out


I never said I wanted to stop looking.
You certainly take an offhand comment to the absurd.


When discussing the origins of the universe (if there *is* an
origin)
"god did it" is just as valid as any other theory. The "Big Bang"
theory
is in question because known physics can only account for what
happened sometime after the bang, not before and shortly after and
the
physics contradicts it's self. Even if the Big Bang theory holds,
the
question remains ... what created the singularity point of infinite
density and "smallness"?

God?


That's the point. Who knows? "God" (whatever he/she or it is) is
just
as good a guess as anything science can offer so far. I certainly
don't know the answer and nobody else does either ... including
Harry.



Who created your god?


Never said I had one or even believed in one. All I said was that when
it comes to guessing what the origins of the universe is, "god" is just
as valid as anything science has to offer ... yet.

The concept of a god serves many people. It provides an answer to some
to the ultimate unknown and provides many with a sense of peace and
comfort when facing adversities and death. It's amazing to me how
people who were never particularly religious in their lives develop an
acceptance of a god when in their final, lucid hours of life.

I only get religious when flying commercially.








No, it isn't. Science, at least, is striving for answers, coming up with
theories, some plausable, some less so, to find the answers. Claiming
that god did it is simply giving up on the ultimate ability of humans to
find those answers.

The "modern" concept of god really isn't much different than stone age
mans'...that there is some sort of entity "out there" (a rock, a tree,
the sun, a statue, a being who made man in his image, et cetera), who is
somehow responsible for "the big stuff," such as the sun rising in the
morning. After a few thousand years of evolution, man knew enough to
realize that solar/planetary motions were the result of physics, and not
the product of a god's whim or will.

Once again, to claim there is a god/creator is an intellectual cop-out.
We may not have the answer yet, but intelligent men and women are trying
to find it. We should insist that "god did it" and give up the search?

Which god is that? Ra? A tree? Michelangelo's god?

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?



There's a lot about the universe that we have learned since the caveman
days but we are no closer to understanding how it all began than we did
when we were dragging our wives back to the cave by their hair.

A religious based explanation remains just as valid as any unproven
scientific theory.

Note: I am referring to the *origins* of the universe ... not the fact
that mankind determined the earth isn't flat or the make-up of our or
other solar systems and galaxies.

The concept that the universe simply always existed is beyond our feeble
minds to comprehend. We may accept the words as an explanation but we
can't grasp what it means. Sorta like believing in a god.




The creator has all the answers.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Back to the drawing board ....
 

On 3/1/2015 9:55 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:21:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There isn't the slightest evidence of the existence of god. Nada, zip,
zilch. But, hey, if people want to believe otherwise, why not?

===

Why not indeed? A little tolerance goes along way. You are just as
prejudiced against religion as some people are over racial issues. As
long as no one is forcing you to convert, or holding prayer meetings
on your front lawn, live and let live.

So far so good. But they'll be blocking off streets for their prayers
sooner than later. Can we really afford to live and let live?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."