|
On Fire for the Lord!
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:35:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/18/15 4:39 PM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:27:29 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:30:08 -0500, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:19:51 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:34:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 1:20 PM, jps wrote: Law enforcement officials in Michigan said that they learned this week that an elected Republican official who had recently shot herself to death had been adjusting her bra holster when the accident occurred. Earlier this year, St. Joseph Public Safety officers reported that 55-year-old Christina Bond had died on New Years Day from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to her eye. Although the full autopsy had not been completed, officials released new details on Wednesday. “She was having trouble adjusting her bra holster, couldn’t get it to fit the way she wanted it to. She was looking down at it and accidentally discharged the weapon,” St. Joseph Public Safety Director Mark Clapp said. According to an obituary published by Florin Funeral Service, Bond joined the U.S. Navy out of high school, and served two terms as an active Military Police. She was an administrator for the Road to Life Church, and an “active member of the Christian Motorcycle Association.” The obituary described Bond as being “on FIRE for the LORD.” Fired herself from life. She was "looking down at it and accidentally discharged the weapon." If she could fire a gun simply by looking at it, she didn't really need a gun to defend herself. :) She was clearly a very capable person. But it's clear that the more time you spend with a weapon and the more you handle it, the more likely you'll be bitten by the odds of a mishap. Very astute observation. Reckon that's true of driving a car, flying, skiing, boating, and on and on. Life is a dangerous occupation, and we all lose. Fortunately, all those other items provide something other than a quick death in their use. As do firearms. And please don't start with all the crimes thwarted. They've long been debunked as frighteningly overblown false positives. I didn't, you did. Plus, the variety of mishaps that occur with those other items are far less likely to be deadly than those that occur with a gun. Tell that to the 33,000 folks who died in auto deaths in 2012. Here's some more from 2013 Motor vehicle traffic deaths Number of deaths: 33,804 Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7 All firearm deaths Number of deaths: 33,363 Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6 Looks like guns are safer. Completely specious argument. Cars are used x hours a day on average by y number of drivers. Guns "sit around" doing nothing at all most of the time. Most cars sit around most of the time. Now hush. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
On Fire for the Lord!
|
On Fire for the Lord!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
On Fire for the Lord!
On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
On Fire for the Lord!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes. === Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many of them were drug gang related. |
On Fire for the Lord!
On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 5:42:24 AM UTC-8, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes. === Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many of them were drug gang related. True, but as he's proclaimed. Rationale is reserved for righties. |
On Fire for the Lord!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes. === Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many of them were drug gang related. He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
On Fire for the Lord!
On 2/19/15 8:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes. === Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many of them were drug gang related. He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism. My comment was on the absurdity and inanity of trying to make some sort of meaningful comparison between the number of car deaths and gun deaths. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
On Fire for the Lord!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:21:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/19/15 8:59 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote: How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing? What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both cases involve someone not following basic safety rules. For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve firearms. Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act? Yup about 11,000 a year. There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act too. 43,000 times a year. I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that was an intentional act too. How much is GM paying for the ignition switches? The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken college level stats and logic courses will see. Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned your stats to prove it. It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that premise is also absurd. yawn... You lost again, Krause. This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes. === Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many of them were drug gang related. He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism. My comment was on the absurdity and inanity of trying to make some sort of meaningful comparison between the number of car deaths and gun deaths. Your comment was absurd. Here - do it: "If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many of them were drug gang related." Show us how friggin' smart you really are. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:48 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com