Very Refreshing
 

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 23:38:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

A democtratic politician who can rise above party ideology to do
what's right for the country:

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/01/29/mccaskill-issues-statement-the-keystone-pipeline-a-commonsense-approach/

That pipeline boondoggle will be a flash in the pan. Once the overall
construction is completed, there will be very few employees and it
will be that much easier to ship oil to anybody but the US.

I've lived close to the Colonial Pipeline since it was built in the
1950's... it runs from Texas to New York and has about 500-600
employees scattered through Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama,
Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia,
Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey.

They don't really make an impact on any economy, other than GA, where
they are headquartered.... of course, the Keystone stash will go to
the headquarters in Canada, not the US. The Colonial pipeline is 5
times as long as the Keystone, so it will probably have about 1/5th
the employees... minus the employees at the headquarters. I doubt that
there will be over 50 employees, max, spread over 1100 miles.....
offset by the economic effects of any oil shipped to any point outside
the US. My guess? A net loss to the US..... no matter what political
position you hold, Keystone is a bad economic move.



Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed
by the things that you didn't do than by the ones
you did do.

So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
- Mark Twain


1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream
2005 20' Angler CC
2004 17' G3 CC 1756

Out of Shallotte, NC

Very Refreshing
 

On 1/31/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:59:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:55:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:10:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 12:52 PM, wrote:

Bloomberg isn't spending his money to promote voter suppression,
backwards, overly religious candidates, and regressive legislation as
the Kochs are.

No, he wants to take your assault rifles away from you.

I support most of Bloomberg's
efforts to tighten up firearms laws on illegal possession,

One of them is eliminating civilian ownership of guns like your ARs.


So? If it came to pass, I'd do what was required. I'm a gun hobbyist,
not a crazed NRA gun nutsie.

So you would just turn it in and take the $50 the government said was
just compensation?


I'm certainly *not* going to try to hold off federal or local law
enforcement agents...I'll leave that to Wayne, who said here he would in
order to retain possession of his firearms.

I'd rather give them up and then go to the beach. Firearms are a hobby
for me.

I forgot, you are a democrat. If the government wants to take your
stuff, you are more than happy to just give it to them. If our
forefathers were like you, you would still be curtseying to the queen.


Well, I'm not dumb enough to think I can stand off armed federal law
enforcement officers. This isn't the 18th Century and the troops aren't
on a supply or reinforcement chain 3000 miles long. I'll let your
survivors and those of Wayne let me know what happened. Has to do with
me not being an idiot, not with me being a Democrat.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Very Refreshing
 

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:04:57 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:59:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:55:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:10:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 12:52 PM, wrote:

Bloomberg isn't spending his money to promote voter suppression,
backwards, overly religious candidates, and regressive legislation as
the Kochs are.

No, he wants to take your assault rifles away from you.

I support most of Bloomberg's
efforts to tighten up firearms laws on illegal possession,

One of them is eliminating civilian ownership of guns like your ARs.


So? If it came to pass, I'd do what was required. I'm a gun hobbyist,
not a crazed NRA gun nutsie.

So you would just turn it in and take the $50 the government said was
just compensation?


I'm certainly *not* going to try to hold off federal or local law
enforcement agents...I'll leave that to Wayne, who said here he would in
order to retain possession of his firearms.

I'd rather give them up and then go to the beach. Firearms are a hobby
for me.

I forgot, you are a democrat. If the government wants to take your
stuff, you are more than happy to just give it to them. If our
forefathers were like you, you would still be curtseying to the queen.


Well, I'm not dumb enough to think I can stand off armed federal law
enforcement officers. This isn't the 18th Century and the troops aren't
on a supply or reinforcement chain 3000 miles long. I'll let your
survivors and those of Wayne let me know what happened. Has to do with
me not being an idiot, not with me being a Democrat.

===

Have you ever heard the saying "Live Free or Die"?

This country ws not founded by a bunch of pansy assed eastern
liberals.

Very Refreshing
 

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:35:37 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't really make an impact on any economy, other than GA, where
they are headquartered.... of course, the Keystone stash will go to
the headquarters in Canada, not the US.

===

You're ignoring the jobs and value added in the refineries and port
cities, not to mention the enviro benefits of not transporting it by
train. Even more important, when middle eastern sources are
restricted for one reason or other (and that will happen), we will be
much more energy independent than anyone else.

Very Refreshing
 

On 1/31/2015 3:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:35:37 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't really make an impact on any economy, other than GA, where
they are headquartered.... of course, the Keystone stash will go to
the headquarters in Canada, not the US.

===

You're ignoring the jobs and value added in the refineries and port
cities, not to mention the enviro benefits of not transporting it by
train. Even more important, when middle eastern sources are
restricted for one reason or other (and that will happen), we will be
much more energy independent than anyone else.


Yeah, it's not like we can't buy it from the refiners on the coast I
guess? ???

Very Refreshing
 

On 1/31/15 3:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:04:57 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:59:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:55:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:10:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 12:52 PM, wrote:

Bloomberg isn't spending his money to promote voter suppression,
backwards, overly religious candidates, and regressive legislation as
the Kochs are.

No, he wants to take your assault rifles away from you.

I support most of Bloomberg's
efforts to tighten up firearms laws on illegal possession,

One of them is eliminating civilian ownership of guns like your ARs.


So? If it came to pass, I'd do what was required. I'm a gun hobbyist,
not a crazed NRA gun nutsie.

So you would just turn it in and take the $50 the government said was
just compensation?


I'm certainly *not* going to try to hold off federal or local law
enforcement agents...I'll leave that to Wayne, who said here he would in
order to retain possession of his firearms.

I'd rather give them up and then go to the beach. Firearms are a hobby
for me.

I forgot, you are a democrat. If the government wants to take your
stuff, you are more than happy to just give it to them. If our
forefathers were like you, you would still be curtseying to the queen.


Well, I'm not dumb enough to think I can stand off armed federal law
enforcement officers. This isn't the 18th Century and the troops aren't
on a supply or reinforcement chain 3000 miles long. I'll let your
survivors and those of Wayne let me know what happened. Has to do with
me not being an idiot, not with me being a Democrat.

===

Have you ever heard the saying "Live Free or Die"?

This country ws not founded by a bunch of pansy assed eastern
liberals.


I'll be delighted for you to take on federal authorities with your Mosin
Nagent you apparently can't shoot straight and your Ruger Mark III with
the dimpled barrel. Please let us know when you are going to do this, so
we are sure to tape it on the TV news.

Oh...the 18th Century founding fathers? They were eastern and pretty
radical and liberal. The *conservative* response would have been to
remain under the thumb of the Crown.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Very Refreshing
 

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:14:23 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/31/2015 3:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:35:37 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't really make an impact on any economy, other than GA, where
they are headquartered.... of course, the Keystone stash will go to
the headquarters in Canada, not the US.

===

You're ignoring the jobs and value added in the refineries and port
cities, not to mention the enviro benefits of not transporting it by
train. Even more important, when middle eastern sources are
restricted for one reason or other (and that will happen), we will be
much more energy independent than anyone else.


Yeah, it's not like we can't buy it from the refiners on the coast I
guess? ???

===

Of course. Too many people have apparently forgotten about the gas
shortages of the 70s and 80s after the Saudis turned off the tap. I'd
like to think that couldn't happen again but who knows.

Very Refreshing
 

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:20:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 3:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:04:57 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:59:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:55:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:10:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 12:52 PM, wrote:

Bloomberg isn't spending his money to promote voter suppression,
backwards, overly religious candidates, and regressive legislation as
the Kochs are.

No, he wants to take your assault rifles away from you.

I support most of Bloomberg's
efforts to tighten up firearms laws on illegal possession,

One of them is eliminating civilian ownership of guns like your ARs.


So? If it came to pass, I'd do what was required. I'm a gun hobbyist,
not a crazed NRA gun nutsie.

So you would just turn it in and take the $50 the government said was
just compensation?


I'm certainly *not* going to try to hold off federal or local law
enforcement agents...I'll leave that to Wayne, who said here he would in
order to retain possession of his firearms.

I'd rather give them up and then go to the beach. Firearms are a hobby
for me.

I forgot, you are a democrat. If the government wants to take your
stuff, you are more than happy to just give it to them. If our
forefathers were like you, you would still be curtseying to the queen.


Well, I'm not dumb enough to think I can stand off armed federal law
enforcement officers. This isn't the 18th Century and the troops aren't
on a supply or reinforcement chain 3000 miles long. I'll let your
survivors and those of Wayne let me know what happened. Has to do with
me not being an idiot, not with me being a Democrat.

===

Have you ever heard the saying "Live Free or Die"?

This country ws not founded by a bunch of pansy assed eastern
liberals.


I'll be delighted for you to take on federal authorities with your Mosin
Nagent you apparently can't shoot straight and your Ruger Mark III with
the dimpled barrel. Please let us know when you are going to do this, so
we are sure to tape it on the TV news.

Oh...the 18th Century founding fathers? They were eastern and pretty
radical and liberal. The *conservative* response would have been to
remain under the thumb of the Crown.

===

Funny stuff Harry. It's a lot more likely that the Feds will be
coming after you than after me. And although the founding fathers of
this great country may have been radical for their time, they were
not afraid of standing up to authority when oppressed.

Very Refreshing
 

On 1/31/15 4:41 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:20:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 3:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:04:57 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:59:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:55:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:10:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 12:52 PM, wrote:

Bloomberg isn't spending his money to promote voter suppression,
backwards, overly religious candidates, and regressive legislation as
the Kochs are.

No, he wants to take your assault rifles away from you.

I support most of Bloomberg's
efforts to tighten up firearms laws on illegal possession,

One of them is eliminating civilian ownership of guns like your ARs.


So? If it came to pass, I'd do what was required. I'm a gun hobbyist,
not a crazed NRA gun nutsie.

So you would just turn it in and take the $50 the government said was
just compensation?


I'm certainly *not* going to try to hold off federal or local law
enforcement agents...I'll leave that to Wayne, who said here he would in
order to retain possession of his firearms.

I'd rather give them up and then go to the beach. Firearms are a hobby
for me.

I forgot, you are a democrat. If the government wants to take your
stuff, you are more than happy to just give it to them. If our
forefathers were like you, you would still be curtseying to the queen.


Well, I'm not dumb enough to think I can stand off armed federal law
enforcement officers. This isn't the 18th Century and the troops aren't
on a supply or reinforcement chain 3000 miles long. I'll let your
survivors and those of Wayne let me know what happened. Has to do with
me not being an idiot, not with me being a Democrat.

===

Have you ever heard the saying "Live Free or Die"?

This country ws not founded by a bunch of pansy assed eastern
liberals.


I'll be delighted for you to take on federal authorities with your Mosin
Nagent you apparently can't shoot straight and your Ruger Mark III with
the dimpled barrel. Please let us know when you are going to do this, so
we are sure to tape it on the TV news.

Oh...the 18th Century founding fathers? They were eastern and pretty
radical and liberal. The *conservative* response would have been to
remain under the thumb of the Crown.

===

Funny stuff Harry. It's a lot more likely that the Feds will be
coming after you than after me. And although the founding fathers of
this great country may have been radical for their time, they were
not afraid of standing up to authority when oppressed.



1. Yup, funny.
2. Not likely.
3. Three of the times I "stood up to authority" to help the oppressed
resulted in me getting shot at, once while reporting on and
participating in a black voter registration drive in the 1960s in the
deep south, once while working for land reform in Central America, and
once while helping organize oil rig supply ship crews.

How many times have you been shot at while standing up to authority to
help the oppressed?

Yeah, I thought so.





--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Very Refreshing
 

On 1/31/2015 4:41 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:20:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 3:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:04:57 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/31/15 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:59:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:55:59 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:10:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/30/15 12:52 PM, wrote:

Bloomberg isn't spending his money to promote voter suppression,
backwards, overly religious candidates, and regressive legislation as
the Kochs are.

No, he wants to take your assault rifles away from you.

I support most of Bloomberg's
efforts to tighten up firearms laws on illegal possession,

One of them is eliminating civilian ownership of guns like your ARs.


So? If it came to pass, I'd do what was required. I'm a gun hobbyist,
not a crazed NRA gun nutsie.

So you would just turn it in and take the $50 the government said was
just compensation?


I'm certainly *not* going to try to hold off federal or local law
enforcement agents...I'll leave that to Wayne, who said here he would in
order to retain possession of his firearms.

I'd rather give them up and then go to the beach. Firearms are a hobby
for me.

I forgot, you are a democrat. If the government wants to take your
stuff, you are more than happy to just give it to them. If our
forefathers were like you, you would still be curtseying to the queen.


Well, I'm not dumb enough to think I can stand off armed federal law
enforcement officers. This isn't the 18th Century and the troops aren't
on a supply or reinforcement chain 3000 miles long. I'll let your
survivors and those of Wayne let me know what happened. Has to do with
me not being an idiot, not with me being a Democrat.

===

Have you ever heard the saying "Live Free or Die"?

This country ws not founded by a bunch of pansy assed eastern
liberals.


I'll be delighted for you to take on federal authorities with your Mosin
Nagent you apparently can't shoot straight and your Ruger Mark III with
the dimpled barrel. Please let us know when you are going to do this, so
we are sure to tape it on the TV news.

Oh...the 18th Century founding fathers? They were eastern and pretty
radical and liberal. The *conservative* response would have been to
remain under the thumb of the Crown.

===

Funny stuff Harry. It's a lot more likely that the Feds will be
coming after you than after me. And although the founding fathers of
this great country may have been radical for their time, they were
not afraid of standing up to authority when oppressed.



Are you thinking of declaring independence sometime soon Wayne? :-)