On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223 and 5.56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for 50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a problem. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass (military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in 5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and perfomance needs.

On 1/30/15 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223 and 5.56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for 50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a problem. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass (military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in 5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and perfomance needs.


I'm not sure why "sport" shooters who can shoot either .223 or 5.56
bother with the latter. My Colt, along with millions of other ARs,
handles either, but I don't buy 5.56. There are plenty of different
loads available for either.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223 and 5..56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for 50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a problem. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass (military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in 5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and perfomance needs.


I'm not sure why "sport" shooters who can shoot either .223 or 5.56
bother with the latter. My Colt, along with millions of other ARs,
handles either, but I don't buy 5.56. There are plenty of different
loads available for either.

I'm not sure why a sport shooter that can safely shoot either round would seek out and only purchase .223.

On 1/30/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223 and 5.56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for 50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a problem. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass (military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in 5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and perfomance needs.


I'm not sure why "sport" shooters who can shoot either .223 or 5.56
bother with the latter. My Colt, along with millions of other ARs,
handles either, but I don't buy 5.56. There are plenty of different
loads available for either.

I'm not sure why a sport shooter that can safely shoot either round would seek out and only purchase .223.



What's a 5.56 round going to do for me in casual target shooting?
Typically, but not always, the brass case, non-ferrous bullet .223
rounds are a few cents less expensive, probably because the demand is
higher and more are produced.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 11:11:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223 and 5.56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for 50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a problem.. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass (military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in 5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and perfomance needs.


I'm not sure why "sport" shooters who can shoot either .223 or 5.56
bother with the latter. My Colt, along with millions of other ARs,
handles either, but I don't buy 5.56. There are plenty of different
loads available for either.

I'm not sure why a sport shooter that can safely shoot either round would seek out and only purchase .223.



What's a 5.56 round going to do for me in casual target shooting?
Typically, but not always, the brass case, non-ferrous bullet .223
rounds are a few cents less expensive, probably because the demand is
higher and more are produced.

It's kind of like putting regular gas in a sports car that is setup for high octane. 5.56's typical higher velocity can give you a slightly flatter trajectory. Besides, I'm not seeing any real difference in price when I buy, and you said you don't really keep up with the ammo market anyway.

My barrel's twist prefers the 62 grain bullets, so it's usually XM855 for me.

On 1/30/15 2:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 11:11:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223 and 5.56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for 50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a problem. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass (military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in 5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and perfomance needs.


I'm not sure why "sport" shooters who can shoot either .223 or 5.56
bother with the latter. My Colt, along with millions of other ARs,
handles either, but I don't buy 5.56. There are plenty of different
loads available for either.

I'm not sure why a sport shooter that can safely shoot either round would seek out and only purchase .223.



What's a 5.56 round going to do for me in casual target shooting?
Typically, but not always, the brass case, non-ferrous bullet .223
rounds are a few cents less expensive, probably because the demand is
higher and more are produced.

It's kind of like putting regular gas in a sports car that is setup for high octane. 5.56's typical higher velocity can give you a slightly flatter trajectory. Besides, I'm not seeing any real difference in price when I buy, and you said you don't really keep up with the ammo market anyway.

My barrel's twist prefers the 62 grain bullets, so it's usually XM855 for me.


I'm still shooting the least expensive brass case non-ferrous bullet
ammo I can find, until I get my groups down to 1" at 100 yards. Then I
might try a more expensive ammo. No sense wasting $$$ on ammo that
outdoes my abilities. I'm at 1-1/2" to 1-1/4" at 100 yards, but mostly
at the 1-1/2 mark. That means I shot one five shot grouping at 1-1/4".

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On 1/30/2015 3:01 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 2:54 PM, wrote:
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 11:11:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/30/15 8:59 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:55 PM UTC-8, Someone Else
wrote:
Poquito Loco wrote:
For a new production AR style rifle the difference between 223
and 5.56 is very
similar to buying 12 large eggs versus buying a dozen large eggs.

I use Accurate Arms 2230 powder, a mid-range powder charge for
50 gr HP bullets, and
shoot that load in 5 different rifles accurately without a
problem. I use mixed brass
and don't sort headstamps. I make sure to separate range brass
(military vs
commercial) to ream military primer pockets to remove the crimp.

I won't bore you with details about cleaning, tumbling, case
length, and trimming
brass.


EDIT: A chronograph is the only thing that can tell the
difference between a 3100 fps
or 2900 fps bullet. Neither a target or prairie dog knows the
difference. A prairie
dog does know the difference between 223 and a 25-06 -- there
is less to pickup if
you use a 25-06.


Makes me want to run right out and get a Mini-14.
From what I've read, some barrels can't handle the pressure
of the 5.56.

I've shot both in a Bushmaster I had, my Steyer, and mini-14. no
problems in any of them.

I see no reason to buy an AR chanbered in .223. If you get it in
5.56, you can safely shoot both, and there's really no difference
in accuracy. Then just buy the ammo that meets your price and
perfomance needs.


I'm not sure why "sport" shooters who can shoot either .223 or 5.56
bother with the latter. My Colt, along with millions of other ARs,
handles either, but I don't buy 5.56. There are plenty of different
loads available for either.

I'm not sure why a sport shooter that can safely shoot either round
would seek out and only purchase .223.



What's a 5.56 round going to do for me in casual target shooting?
Typically, but not always, the brass case, non-ferrous bullet .223
rounds are a few cents less expensive, probably because the demand is
higher and more are produced.

It's kind of like putting regular gas in a sports car that is setup
for high octane. 5.56's typical higher velocity can give you a
slightly flatter trajectory. Besides, I'm not seeing any real
difference in price when I buy, and you said you don't really keep up
with the ammo market anyway.

My barrel's twist prefers the 62 grain bullets, so it's usually XM855
for me.


I'm still shooting the least expensive brass case non-ferrous bullet
ammo I can find, until I get my groups down to 1" at 100 yards. Then I
might try a more expensive ammo. No sense wasting $$$ on ammo that
outdoes my abilities. I'm at 1-1/2" to 1-1/4" at 100 yards, but mostly
at the 1-1/2 mark. That means I shot one five shot grouping at 1-1/4".

You're almost good enough to get that hawker job down at the arcade.

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"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."