On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:46:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/26/14 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:33:27 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the
universe.

===

Of that there can be no doubt regardless of your religious beliefs (or
not).



A miracle implies the intervention of a deity. There's no proof of that.

===

I disagree. To me a miracle is something that defies all odds whether
there are religious implications or not. Under that definition the
universe is definitely a miracle, i.e., something miraculous.

On 12/26/14 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:46:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/26/14 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:33:27 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the
universe.

===

Of that there can be no doubt regardless of your religious beliefs (or
not).



A miracle implies the intervention of a deity. There's no proof of that.

===

I disagree. To me a miracle is something that defies all odds whether
there are religious implications or not. Under that definition the
universe is definitely a miracle, i.e., something miraculous.


As with religion, you are free to believe whatever you want.

On 12/26/2014 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:46:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/26/14 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:33:27 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the
universe.

===

Of that there can be no doubt regardless of your religious beliefs (or
not).



A miracle implies the intervention of a deity. There's no proof of that.

===

I disagree. To me a miracle is something that defies all odds whether
there are religious implications or not. Under that definition the
universe is definitely a miracle, i.e., something miraculous.


e.g. the fact that you two are discussing a subject in a respectful,
civil manner is indeed a miracle! :=)

wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:17:54 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Thanks Wayne. I thought it was really interesting and from my phone I
didn't have to subscribe either...

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No one should have needed to subscribe since I created the link with
Google News. Not sure what happened with John.

The link clicked took me to the first paragraph of the article and a
box that said I needed to log in or subscribe to see the rest.

Likewise.
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:43:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:17:54 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Thanks Wayne. I thought it was really interesting and from my phone I didn't have to subscribe either...

===

No one should have needed to subscribe since I created the link with
Google News. Not sure what happened with John.

The link clicked took me to the first paragraph of the article and a
box that said I needed to log in or subscribe to see the rest.

===

Interesting. I'm already a subscriber so it's difficult to test. I
plugged the headline into a Google News search and it sent back a link
which worked for me.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:42:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/26/2014 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:46:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/26/14 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:33:27 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the
universe.

===

Of that there can be no doubt regardless of your religious beliefs (or
not).



A miracle implies the intervention of a deity. There's no proof of that.

===

I disagree. To me a miracle is something that defies all odds whether
there are religious implications or not. Under that definition the
universe is definitely a miracle, i.e., something miraculous.


e.g. the fact that you two are discussing a subject in a respectful,
civil manner is indeed a miracle! :=)

===

Indeed. It definitely defies all odds. :-)

On Friday, December 26, 2014 6:43:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:17:54 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Thanks Wayne. I thought it was really interesting and from my phone I didn't have to subscribe either...

===

No one should have needed to subscribe since I created the link with
Google News. Not sure what happened with John.

The link clicked took me to the first paragraph of the article and a
box that said I needed to log in or subscribe to see the rest.

Odd. I'm not a subscriber and I clicked the link on my home computer as well as my phone and accessed the entire column.

Maybe it's a WSJ/facebook match up thing...

Beats me.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:21:58 -0500, wrote:

The flaw in the article is it assumes the only way life could possibly
evolve is if the universe worked out exactly like it did.
It is a joyous accident that things worked out like it did ... for us
but if it didn't it could have happened somewhere else and Sagan was
saying it is very likely that it did. They just won't look like us..

===

That's all true and another big factor is time. As far as we know
now, intelligent life on earth has existed for less that 100,000
years. That's just a heartbeat on a galactic scale. And of that
100,000 years it has only been the last 100 or so that we have been
capable of creating any sort of phenomena detectable at a distance,
i.e., electromagnetic waves and large scale explosions. It's very
likely that sometime in the next 100 years we will stop relying on
high powered electromagnetic waves for communications, to be replaced
by optical fiber for everything other than very low power local
communication. That paradigm shift is already in progress. Hopefully
we will also stop producing high powered (nuclear) explosions. That
has also been in progress for a while.

So following along that logic path, our civilization has a less than a
200 year window for producing detectable signs of life. Presumably
other intelligent life forms elsewhere would follow a similar timeline
if they exist at all. The odds that their 200 year window would
coincide with our existence are almost infinitesimally small but who
knows. It would be a miracle. :-)

On 12/26/14 9:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2014 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:46:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/26/14 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:33:27 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the
universe.

===

Of that there can be no doubt regardless of your religious beliefs (or
not).



A miracle implies the intervention of a deity. There's no proof of that.

===

I disagree. To me a miracle is something that defies all odds whether
there are religious implications or not. Under that definition the
universe is definitely a miracle, i.e., something miraculous.


e.g. the fact that you two are discussing a subject in a respectful,
civil manner is indeed a miracle! :=)



Sadly, Wayne has "reverted" back to snarky in several other threads.

On 12/27/2014 7:06 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/26/14 9:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/26/2014 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:46:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/26/14 8:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:33:27 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the
universe.

===

Of that there can be no doubt regardless of your religious beliefs (or
not).



A miracle implies the intervention of a deity. There's no proof of
that.

===

I disagree. To me a miracle is something that defies all odds whether
there are religious implications or not. Under that definition the
universe is definitely a miracle, i.e., something miraculous.


e.g. the fact that you two are discussing a subject in a respectful,
civil manner is indeed a miracle! :=)



Sadly, Wayne has "reverted" back to snarky in several other threads.

So you have decided that "monkey see monkey do" is the way to go. That
was one hellofa experiment while it lasted. Thanks for the brief
reprieve from the same ol same ol.

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