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glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. |
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#3
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glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. === Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where there really is no safe direction. |
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glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:12:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. === Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where there really is no safe direction. Well, if you've chambered a round where there is no safe direction, then you can decock the pistol in the same direction. Decocking seems to be a pretty safe procedure. Are you just trying to confuse me? |
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glock 18c
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:36:35 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:12:11 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote: New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"? I've posted here a number of times that: 1. I don't much like fully auto firearms 2. I don't like striker-fired pistols 3. I don't like polymer pistols 4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety. I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm. Wouldn't mind owning one. Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it is DAO? Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties. My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not actively shooting. That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is instinctive. === You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber? What if? These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time you do it tho. ;-) === Yes, but what if... ? I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day. That's why God made the ground! === Yes but that implies that you are outdoors. True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in a safe direction anyway. === Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where there really is no safe direction. Well, if you've chambered a round where there is no safe direction, then you can decock the pistol in the same direction. Decocking seems to be a pretty safe procedure. Are you just trying to confuse me? === Not at all. My point is that the "decocker" is a mechanical mechanism operated by a human being, and is therefore likely to have some failure modes which could result in an accidental discharge when the hammer comes down. I would prefer not to risk an accidental discharge indoors where there really is no safe direction to point the gun in. |
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#7
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glock 18c
On 12/19/2014 12:54 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:19:00 -0500, wrote: Where we live, inside might be the safest place for an AD. === If the round didn't hit anything vital, SWMBO certainly would. I once saw a video of coasties getting ready to board one of their small boats for a mission. It looked like each one of them would stop briefly at a device that looked like it might have been a pole mounted bullet trap, point their sidearm inside, and cycle the action. I guess its possible they were putting a round in the chamber and then decocking and/or activating the safety. Any idea? The Coast Guard station in Scituate Harbor has one of those. Just a large pipe about 12 inches in diameter in the ground at an angle and located just outside the door of the station building. Never saw them cycling their weapons before they went out on the boat but they did whenever they returned. I always assumed it was just a required safety check to ensure no rounds were in the chamber before going back into the building. |
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glock 18c
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:54:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:19:00 -0500, wrote: Where we live, inside might be the safest place for an AD. === If the round didn't hit anything vital, SWMBO certainly would. I once saw a video of coasties getting ready to board one of their small boats for a mission. It looked like each one of them would stop briefly at a device that looked like it might have been a pole mounted bullet trap, point their sidearm inside, and cycle the action. I guess its possible they were putting a round in the chamber and then decocking and/or activating the safety. Any idea? We had those in Vietnam at the gates of some of the bases. It's a 'clearing' station. A place to point the weapon after dropping the magazine and ejecting a chambered round - then pulling the trigger while pointing the gun into the clearing station. Every so often someone would forget to eject the round in the chamber. The ensuing 'bang' would get everyone's attention - if nothing else just to see how red the guy's face would get. |
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