glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:51:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed.



Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety
is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't
pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge.

My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He
could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and
ready to shoot by pulling the trigger.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:16:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/18/2014 11:41 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:35:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?


One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety
but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able
to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never
trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember.

The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to
engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at
the range several times. Works like a charm.



I have a Sig 2XX (something). I'll have to check how the safety works
on it.

If the 226, it has a decocker.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

That's why God made the ground!

===

Yes but that implies that you are outdoors.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

That's why God made the ground!

===

Yes but that implies that you are outdoors.

True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in
a safe direction anyway.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:


My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He
could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and
ready to shoot by pulling the trigger.

This all came about from police who were transitionally from a
revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90.
This will react just like a revolver.

The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it
becomes SA.

glock 18c
 

Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:


My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He
could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and
ready to shoot by pulling the trigger.

This all came about from police who were transitionally from a
revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90.
This will react just like a revolver.

The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it
becomes SA.

SIG still makes SAO P226 models.
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

glock 18c
 

On 18 Dec 2014 22:33:36 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:


My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He
could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and
ready to shoot by pulling the trigger.

This all came about from police who were transitionally from a
revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90.
This will react just like a revolver.

The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it
becomes SA.

SIG still makes SAO P226 models.

So they don't have the decocker?

glock 18c
 

On 18 Dec 2014 22:33:36 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:


My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He
could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and
ready to shoot by pulling the trigger.

This all came about from police who were transitionally from a
revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90.
This will react just like a revolver.

The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it
becomes SA.

SIG still makes SAO P226 models.

Yup, you're right. I'm glad I've got what I got!

glock 18c
 

Poquito Loco wrote:
On 18 Dec 2014 22:33:36 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:11:46 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:20:45 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:


My brother, former cop, loved the P226 and the decocking feature. He
could chamber a round, decock, add another round to the magazine, and
ready to shoot by pulling the trigger.

This all came about from police who were transitionally from a
revolver to an SA. That is what the "P" means in my KP90.
This will react just like a revolver.

The 226 is DA only when the decocker is used. After the first round it
becomes SA.

SIG still makes SAO P226 models.

So they don't have the decocker?

No they have the traditional thumb safety. Might still make a P220 SAO too.

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:16:46 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:26:17 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:16:35 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

That's why God made the ground!

===

Yes but that implies that you are outdoors.

True, but if you've chambered a round you hopefully had it pointed in
a safe direction anyway.

===

Yes but that also implies that you never chamber a round indoors where
there really is no safe direction.